Will democracy be permanent in Iraq?

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valkyrie

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If we look at history, we will see that countries which fought and won their democracy (i.e., France, USA) have been most successful in keeping those freedoms initially valued for their citizens.

In Iraq, a coalition of several countries has sent troops to fight and die for Iraq's democracy. A government is forming in order for Iraq to be sovereign. But have the Iraqis paid for their freedom as such countries as France and the USA have? Will Iraq value these freedoms that were handed to them? Or will they slip back into a dictatorship?

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Sorry to say this but I doubt these people even recognize freedom. There is a reason one man let them get abused so long on their own terms and now many still fight for his cause and ideals when he was killing them the fastest.

These poor souls are religion crippled masses who haven't ever had the chance to make up their own mind but have always found comfort in being told what to do even when they are miserable...sort of like pseudo ecstasy.

Unless democracy is forced upon them for years on end untill it seaps into their social system it won't last....and no system of government should be forced but we know what happens when they get to choose. Its an ethical quandry if there was any.
 
Man yearns to be free.

However, after centuries, they may not know how to handle freedom. There have been stories about that already. They are unsure of their own abilities & feel safer, protected, by having limits placed on them. It is easier being told when to stop than being arrested for not stopping soon enough. In 1944 Japan had never had democracy, neither had Germany. Look at them today...fat, sassy & happy. It can happen in Iraq also. Maybe not on July 1st, but with help & time it will happen. The only thing scarier than a man in bondage is a man in bondage after tasting freedom.
 
In Islam, there is no fence between government and religion. They are not separable. However, S. Hussain managed to do this for years. I wonder if this conditioned them enough to take on a non-religious government.

I am still in doubt, however, that freedoms not bought with blood and tears can really be valued.
 
valkyrie said:
In Islam, there is no fence between government and religion. They are not separable. However, S. Hussain managed to do this for years. I wonder if this conditioned them enough to take on a non-religious government.

I am still in doubt, however, that freedoms not bought with blood and tears can really be valued.
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They have to be tasted first....and then tested. If the democracy is tested strongly enough by outside forces...will the democracy buckle? Will they have it long enough to realize how bad they had it then?
 
MrBishop said:
They have to be tasted first....and then tested. If the democracy is tested strongly enough by outside forces...will the democracy buckle? Will they have it long enough to realize how bad they had it then?
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Hmmmm... :-/ ...another good (coupl-a) question(s). However, you did not answer my question.
:D Wanna try again?
 
valkyrie said:
Hmmmm... :-/ ...another good (coupl-a) question(s). However, you did not answer my question.
:D Wanna try again?
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I didn't even see a question-mark in your post..but let's assume that this was your question
I am still in doubt, however, that freedoms not bought with blood and tears can really be valued.
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Can freedom not bought by blood and tears really be valued? I would say that there has been prenty of blood and tears shed in Iraq...and I'm not talking about the half-hearted defence of the Hussein-Iraq. I'm talking about those who have taken the side of the invaders and helped topple the Hussein-regime.

There are people who are trying to help pick up the pieces and make something new out of it. It's not a huge effort by all people involved, but then again...neither was the American Revolution...and that one turned out all right.

You don't need to have had a whole population involved in actually fighting for their freedomes...if you achieve it, all people will feel it's effects and then make judgements re: if it's good or bad.
 
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