paul_valaru
100% Pure Canadian Beef
I think the punishment for owning an Iphone should be....owning an Iphone.
You be the judge
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Winky
Well-Known Member
You pass judgement on a chat bored, win a prize
wow I feel under an insurmountable obligation to comply
with Prof’s strict demands, made in this thread.
Is there a civil rights organization I can appeal too
as I feel duress from these horrific requests that I
pronounce judgment on these wrongdoers of society.
kill em all and let gawd sort em out always works
wow I feel under an insurmountable obligation to comply
with Prof’s strict demands, made in this thread.
Is there a civil rights organization I can appeal too
as I feel duress from these horrific requests that I
pronounce judgment on these wrongdoers of society.
kill em all and let gawd sort em out always works
Altron
Well-Known Member
At least kill the first guy.
"Execution is too expensive"? Really? I mean, really? It costs tens of thousands of dollars a year to feed, house, and clothe prisoners. This asshole is looking at what, decades in prison? So we can piss away more money keeping him alive? Electric chair might not be eco-friendly (unless it's solar-powered) but you can just hit him in the head a couple of times with a brick or something, and do it for free.
"Execution is too expensive"? Really? I mean, really? It costs tens of thousands of dollars a year to feed, house, and clothe prisoners. This asshole is looking at what, decades in prison? So we can piss away more money keeping him alive? Electric chair might not be eco-friendly (unless it's solar-powered) but you can just hit him in the head a couple of times with a brick or something, and do it for free.
Winky
Well-Known Member
Here comes the Judge, Here comes the Judge.
Our societal morality will not allow us to
kill all those that need it.
But they comprise only a small fraction
of the total number of the miscreants we must deal with.
By remedying the root causes of criminality
we’d reduce the number of individuals we have too deal with.
But the solutions are not available to society
Whole functioning nuclear families
Christian moral values
An abolishment of the victim mentality
Real men leading successful families
not metro-sexuals femmi-nazi’s and
moral louts turning out fatality flawed
children that haven’t a hope in hell of succeeding.
Now how was that for a rambling worthless post?
Our societal morality will not allow us to
kill all those that need it.
But they comprise only a small fraction
of the total number of the miscreants we must deal with.
By remedying the root causes of criminality
we’d reduce the number of individuals we have too deal with.
But the solutions are not available to society
Whole functioning nuclear families
Christian moral values
An abolishment of the victim mentality
Real men leading successful families
not metro-sexuals femmi-nazi’s and
moral louts turning out fatality flawed
children that haven’t a hope in hell of succeeding.
Now how was that for a rambling worthless post?
H2O boy
New Member
i thought it was fairly self evident, but gato-solo handled it quite succinctley
randomJACKASS
Banned
Have you ever researched the matter? It costs more once all appeals are exhausted to execute someone than life in prison, and even then the wrong guy sometimes gets it, so then what?
H2O boy
New Member
using a sledgehammer to kill a fly still results in a dead fly
i would be willing to bet that if murder (for examle, substitute armed robbery or carjacking if you choose) were punishable by death penalty in cases where dna or other suitable evidence went beyond a reasonable doubt and into the territory of documented surety, we would see fewer murders
tell me again what the two people crucified beside Jesus were guilty of?
i would be willing to bet that if murder (for examle, substitute armed robbery or carjacking if you choose) were punishable by death penalty in cases where dna or other suitable evidence went beyond a reasonable doubt and into the territory of documented surety, we would see fewer murders
tell me again what the two people crucified beside Jesus were guilty of?
randomJACKASS
Banned
So far out of every conservative here I see a bunch of knee jerk ideas that increase crime and recidivism, just what you'd expect.
attack ideas, not posters - Leslie
attack ideas, not posters - Leslie
randomJACKASS
Banned
In fact I don't understand how you expect to get anything but argument and knee jerking prof. If nobody does any research and presents it here or debates what has been shown, and just tells us some lame ass opinion on how they feel better if crime is punished harshly despite the fact that it increases the crime problem in this country.
Revenge as criminal justice never has worked and never will work, but it seems most of America is unwilling to even think about the problem much less search for more effective ways to reform the criminal justice system. I actually have spent a lot of time researching this shit and it even gets to me, and pisses me off when I just see ignorant bullshit spouted in repetition ad infinitum.
Revenge as criminal justice never has worked and never will work, but it seems most of America is unwilling to even think about the problem much less search for more effective ways to reform the criminal justice system. I actually have spent a lot of time researching this shit and it even gets to me, and pisses me off when I just see ignorant bullshit spouted in repetition ad infinitum.
randomJACKASS
Banned
So far as I can see that just puts you on top of the blissfully ignorant list as well.
So why should I bother spending any time in researching and presenting results and ideas formed from the actual gathering of facts on such matters if you all know better without even thinking about it?
Wow what a bunch of brainiacs, it's no wonder none of us are running things!
randomJACKASS
Banned
Back on the idea of punishment vs. prevention, how many folks have you ever met in your entire life who could have any alcohol beyond 2 drinks, and then without prior planning for a ride make responsible decisions? I know of one and even he fudges it sometimes.
So say it happens to someone you know and love, they have a couple of drinks and make a bad decision, or better yet their safe ride cancels and they are too impaired at that point to make a good decision, and they commit a similar crime. Say it was a child of yours, or a spouse or any family. Should they get 20 years, life, perhaps the death penalty, and if you say yes, what has any of that solved? It will never make drinking people responsible. So what are you left with, prohibition? We all know how well that worked!
La Cosa Nostra anyone?
Not if the victim is a female. Her testimony alone can not put a man to death (or even charge him with the crime).
That beings said... I will comment on both articles.
First article... what a loser! He should be charged with vehicular manslaughter and given prison time. He should never be allowed to regain his license and if found driving after his license is taken from him, put his sorry ass back in the slammer.
Second article... the parents are not at fault. These are adolescent girls and their parents aren't going to be with them 100% of the time. By the time kids are this age they some freedom time to walk with their friends not hovered over by parents. This man is obviously a pedophile that needs to be put in prison and he needs to be in therapy to resolve those problems (not saying he has a mental-health-get-out-of-jail-free card) as a condition for release back into the world.
I used to be designated driver for our group when we hit the bars and clubs. No excuses.
I can't find a recipe for that drink... can you post it?
paul_valaru
100% Pure Canadian Beef
I can't find a recipe for that drink... can you post it?
1 part campari, 1 part spray tan.
Altron
Well-Known Member
If they know that killing someone while drunk driving results in decades in prison, they'll call a damn cab. Or sleep on the couch. Or anything that doesn't involve drunk driving. If you know you can't make a responsible decision after two drinks, then don't order a third. If you know you don't have a ride, can't call a taxi, and can't spend the night, then don't get drunk. These are just the most basic concepts of being responsible for your own actions. You think the fact that he can't make a responsible decision while drunk is going to bring the 3 people he killed back to life?
randomJACKASS
Banned
In your dreams. It does result in prison many times yet it happens all the time.
I already explained, if you would but read the post...
Obviously I was talking about the other 95% of bar hoppers in America.
I see nobody shows ANY sign of having looked at my link, which clearly shows the best research we have is that in most cases shorter intermediate sentences with lots of probation is MUCH more effective at preventing future crime.
Seems like more frothy emotional knee jerking to me....
Call me crazy but all I am seeing is preconceived ideas based on emotion and not facts, so much so that reading comprehension is even going out the window!
randomJACKASS
Banned
I don't know anyone who drinks who is willing to admit that even a little bit impairs judgment.
There is a town around here called Port Angeles and one of the county's programs over there is that cabs from bars are all free all the time. I don't know the details having never had any use for it myself, but implementing plans like that everywhere would save lives, because it truly works in Clallam county where Port Angeles is. DUIs are also a lot less common.
Oh yeah, and the cab companies get compensated too but it smacks of socialism so it must be evil!
However we have a lot better system here in neighboring Jefferson county risking folks lives and fining and jailing drunks and it's so much more profitable so that is what we do. Plus we all get to feel so connected and publicly show how much we want people to think we care crying at mass funerals since everyone knows everyone. We also all get to feel awesome when someone gets slammed hard by the court for causing the misery, and more misery is spread to balance accounts! And don't forget the perverse joy we feel in being furious with local government when the offender gets off too lightly! Fun fun fun!
What was the old axiom? A pound of cure is way cooler than even a thinking about an ounce of prevention? Help me with this guys.... Plus it is way better paying to be an elected official in our county. Rad dudes huh?
randomJACKASS
Banned
Oh yes and BTW, the vast majority of folks who cause such accidents are clinically diagnosable as alcoholics, so stopping at two....NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! You must also consider that those who are not alcoholic are far more impaired after two then an alcoholic after two.
Confucius say, first the man takes the drink, then the drink takes the drink, then the drink takes the man!
I was talking to him just the other day and he told me he forgot to add the part about it taking out a lot of innocents as well down the road in futuristic times in which we now seem to live in!
You know on a more "can't we all just get along note", or perhaps it's just selfish of me, but either way I'd love to see someone actually read the two links I posted and knee jerk on them point by point, but even better yet, maybe they could spend just a few minutes looking into matters themselves and coming armed with some facts too, and maybe share them we could discuss those too!
Confucius say, first the man takes the drink, then the drink takes the drink, then the drink takes the man!
I was talking to him just the other day and he told me he forgot to add the part about it taking out a lot of innocents as well down the road in futuristic times in which we now seem to live in!
You know on a more "can't we all just get along note", or perhaps it's just selfish of me, but either way I'd love to see someone actually read the two links I posted and knee jerk on them point by point, but even better yet, maybe they could spend just a few minutes looking into matters themselves and coming armed with some facts too, and maybe share them we could discuss those too!
John Lennon (that pinko commie fag satanist drug addict loser dude) said:
spike
New Member
That first part doesn't necessarily work with the second. I'm not sure if you've seen many statistics on this but I would think it's possible the alcoholic could cause less accidents than than people who don't drink regularly and are out of their element. I have no idea, just sayin' it seems possible.
randomJACKASS
Banned
Possible, but not the case, and my theory on this is because alcoholics are far less likely to pre-plan safe transportation, being in denial and all (not in Egypt, good ol' 'merican style denial).