Fort Hood shot up

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catocom

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Re: thick as a brick

And NO Cat was NOT asking a question of you
he was trying to point something out to you! sheesh

Actually he was. "anybody got any other theories?"

actually....you are both right.
I was reiterating, and do really want other suggestions.

You should know though spike, this guy did have a failing record.
That's one thing that makes it even more mind boggling.

I just don't understand it. Really, even the PC argument doesn't even make since...either way.
This should have been way beyond that pettiness.
 

Cerise

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Re: Multiculturalism at it's finest!

cat was looking for guesses as to why this guy was still around. You look silly when you discourage answers to his question.

Maybe the guy was good at his job. He had just been promoted recently.


Not so good after all:


Why was Hasan still in the Army?

With all of these red flags, why was Hasan still in position to get deployed into a war zone? Why hadn’t the Army taken action to isolate Hasan, or remove him entirely?

A Hot Air reader who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier in this decade explains that the military has a great reluctance to act against his former colleagues, and that promotion of marginal medical officers is not unusual at all:
 

Cerise

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Virginia Tech Coincidence:

Kimberly Munley ended Fort Hood rampage using Virginia Tech lessons

Fort Hood, Texas - Lessons learned from the horrific Virginia Tech shootings in 2007 are credited with averting an even bigger massacre at Fort Hood, Texas, Thursday afternoon when police officer Kimberly Munley confronted the gunman without waiting for backup and took him down with four shots.

Reviews in the aftermath of the shootings at Virginia Tech, where 32 died, found that first responders' decision to be careful and wait for backup probably cost lives as that gunman moved unchecked from classroom to classroom as law enforcement massed outside.

Those findings had found their way to Fort Hood's Special Reaction Team, which had practiced an entirely new protocol for at least a year before Thursday afternoon's rampage here, in which 13 were killed and at least 28 wounded.

"The lesson from Virginia Tech was, don't wait for backup but move to the target and eliminate the shooter," says Chuck Medley, chief of Fort Hood's emergency services. "It requires courage and it requires skill."

The task on Thursday fell to the petite Ms. Munley, a civilian police officer employed by the Army at Fort Hood. Munley had taken part in intensive active-shooter training during the past year.

One of the first responders, she exited her car and entered the building as shots rang out. She rounded a corner, identified the shooter, and fired four times. He returned fire and hit her at least twice in the legs and once in the arm. She underwent surgery Friday but is said to be in good condition. It's unclear how many other responders were present and firing, but Munley's shots are believed to be the ones that stopped the alleged gunman, Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

"She walked up and engaged him," said Fort Hood commander Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, according to an Associated Press report. Her training taught her that "if you act aggressively to take out a shooter, you will have less fatalities," he said.
 

spike

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Re: Multiculturalism at it's finest!

Not so good after all:

" It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.

The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer."


Well, there's a theory cat.
 

Mirlyn

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Not that it means anything, but from what I've read, he tried multiple times to leave the army, even offering to pay back the education money he used.
 

ResearchMonkey

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Really? Still trying to work Obama into this? That's some severe ODS right there.
Well it is odd that the largest terrorist attack on US soil since 911 was committed by someone that worked as part of Obama's transition team.

Allah be praised.
 

Gonz

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Not that it means anything, but from what I've read, he tried multiple times to leave the army, even offering to pay back the education money he used.

Too bad. Sign here*



*not to be confused with all within your whim
 

spike

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Well it is odd that the largest terrorist attack on US soil since 911 was committed by someone that worked as part of Obama's transition team.

I haven't seen anything about him being a terrorist and the transition team thing is a lie.

Corsi himself acknowledges that there is no evidence that "the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition" -- indeed, the Task Force was initiated in April 2008. Moreover, while Hasan was listed as one of approximately 300 "Task Force Event Participants" in the report's appendix, HSPI has reportedly said he was not a "member" of the Task Force, and was listed because he RSVP'd for several of the group's open events.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911060011
 

ResearchMonkey

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I haven't seen anything about him being a terrorist and the transition team thing is a lie.

Terrorism is terrorism.

n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.​

ter·ror·ism (těr'ə-rĭz'əm)
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Unlawful use of deadly force by a person yelling "Allah Akabr" in an effort to promote his political and religious ideologies on unarmed victims for the glory of Allah. -- terrorism check.

He did it for his faith and the glory of Islam.


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lol :laugh3:, media matters doesn't matter. They don't seem to state when the terrorist was brought into the team, only the day they began the program? :grinno:
 

spike

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Unlawful use of deadly force by a person yelling "Allah Akabr" in an effort to promote his political and religious ideologies

Sorry, there's no evidence he did it to promote his political or religious beliefs. You made that up.

media matters doesn't matter.

Sure they do. They fact check crap in the media.

Let's get your source for your transition team claim?
 

Winky

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Talking points work everytime. Rinse Repeat.

He’s not a terrorist
He’s not a Muslim
He’s not an Arab of Jordanian descent
He's not on Obama's transition team
He’s not a murderer
He’s not a bad guy
He’s not to blame!
It’s Booshe’s fault!
 

spike

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You're right on several of those.

Probably not a terrorist, not on Obama's transition team.

The rest of them look pretty bad for you. You'll probably need some evidence.
 

spike

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Yeah, doesn't look like he was an extremist.

Wow, the Florida guy just made the age cutoff. We need to find out what type of religious extremist he was.
 

ResearchMonkey

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Yeah, I've just never seen them preaches as a course of action that should be taken in society.

Have you even been told to kill anyone in the name of God? Have you ever been touched in the name of God?
 

Winky

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Fort Hood needed to be shot up.

No and I’ve never had a Catholic priest touch my pee pee, yet.
 
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