America: Freedom to Fascism

[Gonz]

It just might be spike. That's what you don't seem to want to understand. The local community has the right to establish local custom. Even the state is too big for such things. The state however, has the right to set rules for the state.

The federal government does not have the authority to do either of these things. Since they tax so many goods & the states have not fought such taxation, we've, in effect, handed carte blanche power to the federal gov't. Read the Constitution & the Bill of Rights. There are specific limitations on power...Obama was right on that score - we're built on a set of "negative liberties"...the Constitution tells the government what it may not do. That doesn't mean that it may do anything not specifically denied...as in forcing Americans to spend their hard earned property on medical inmsurance or face jail.

The people are supposed to have the ultimate authority. Then city, county, state, federal, in that order have, limited & lessening authority. Telling a state that it must pass seal belt laws or the federal gov't will withhold gas tax revenue is nothing short of extortion.

 

[spike]

It just might be spike. That's what you don't seem to want to understand. The local community has the right to establish local custom. Even the state is too big for such things. The state however, has the right to set rules for the state.

No, we have socialized things at the local, state, and federal level now.

The federal government does not have the authority to do either of these things. Since they tax so many goods & the states have not fought such taxation, we've, in effect, handed carte blanche power to the federal gov't. Read the Constitution & the Bill of Rights. There are specific limitations on power

You demonstrated numerous times you don't care about the Constitution. You using this argument is empty now. You just interpret it however you want when convenient.

 

[Gonz]

No, we have socialized things at the local, state, and federal level now.

Which is the problem.

We are not a socialist nation.

You demonstrated numerous times you don't care about the Constitution. You using this argument is empty now. You just interpret it however you want when convenient.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[spike]

Which is the problem.

We are not a socialist nation.

Socialized things were set up by the Constitution. Sorry to break it to you.

They didn't actually specify what economic frameworks we needed to use.

Keep telling yourself that.

I will since you've demonstrated it so many times so clearly.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Yeah, the socialist post office. :/

 

[spike]

and roads, and the military

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Common Defense is provided.
Interstate commerce under promote.

Have you ever read the COTUS not hacked up on some leftist website.

 

[spike]

Common Defense is provided.
Interstate commerce under promote.

Exactly, socoialized things right there in the Constitution. Thanks for supporting my point.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

sorry, the COTUS specifically says the government cannot compel you to purchase a service ie: Health care.

.....but thank for playing.

 

[2minkey]

wow. and now i feel really silly for keeping my car insurance current. if i get in an accident, i'm gonna tell the officer that compulsory insurance is unconstitutional.

ROFLMMFAO

hey so what's the chapter and verse?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Since driving is a privilege, not a right, the state can mandate you have insurance to protect the public from you.

 

[Gonz]

wow. and now i feel really silly for keeping my car insurance current. if i get in an accident, i'm gonna tell the officer that compulsory insurance is unconstitutional

Don't have a car? Don't buy it.

Self-insured? Don't buy it.

Don't have a license? Don't buy it.

Is it federally mandated? Is it required, under penatly from the IRS?

Not comparable.

 

[spike]

sorry, the COTUS specifically says the government cannot compel you to purchase a service ie: Health care.

.....but thank for playing.

We are compelled by the Constitution to buy services such as roads and mail delivery and a military.

Thanks for playing.

 

[spike]

Don't have a car? Don't buy it.

Self-insured? Don't buy it.

Don't have a license? Don't buy it.

Is it federally mandated? Is it required, under penatly from the IRS?

Not comparable.

Don't want military protection don't buy it.

Don't use roads, don't fund them.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Naw, socialism sucks in America at most any level. Have you ever considered moving to Cuba?

 

[Gonz]

We are compelled by the Constitution to buy services such as roads and mail delivery and a military.

Don't want military protection don't buy it.

Don't use roads, don't fund them.

Which is it?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

spike, you should actually read the COTUS someday, its a great document.

 

[spike]

Naw, socialism sucks in America at most any level. Have you ever considered moving to Cuba?

I'm sorry you disagree with the founding fathers on this. Perhaps you should consider moving to Antarctica?

 

[spike]

Which is it?

2nd one was sarcasm.

 

[spike]

spike, you should actually read the COTUS someday, its a great document.

I've read it. When are you going to check it out?