ResearchMonkey said:
For clarity sake.
First off I never professionally cut-up a frog. Second, ‘professional anything’ would indicate we had professional or educational relationship, which we have neither. Third it would indicate that you are going to pay (Pony up brother .) Finally, it would be a foolish violation of ethos to go there; twice I have professionally acted as mandated by federal law over the internet. (My wife served as the ethics chairperson on a professional board for 2 years. She received +100 retaliatory ethic complaints from disgruntled forum wackos. These all go into your professional file)
An assumption based on your earlier statement.
RM said:
After thousands of hours of related education, study, and research. 6,000 hours of internship, +10,000 hours of application of practice, and currently writing curriculum for graduate and PhD level education for the Cal State University System - - - I know a little about of which I speak.
- what exactly is your related study? I don't know about you, but basic HS biology usually includes desection of fetal pigs, frogs, worms etc...to help i the study of organisms and structure. If you're in Medecine or a medical related field...HS biology is mandatory.
You say that you've never disected a frog...OK..I was wrong, but you must admit that you got the gist of my arguement.
ResearchMonkey said:
I will however spew personal blather.
Autonomic reaction to stimuli = conscious thought, I did not say that, I said it equivocates as life.
In reply:
No...you said that teh reaction of a fetus to stimuli during abortion equates it with consciousness...I'm paraphrasing, of course.
ResearchMonkey said:
True, but over simplified for this topic. The frog is no longer a living system, which is what we are, systems. The ~basic living template is the cell.
Too early...plants have living systems, based on cells. They eat, breathe, grow and die. They don't have rights though.
ResearchMonkey said:
By your statements right to life should be removed in final stage of Alzheimer’s since they have less function then a 30 week in utero.
That's a thread on Euthanasia, in and of itself. Yet another example of comeone making a life/death decision for someone else who cannot make sure a decision for themselves.
ResearchMonkey said:
We can go all over the place with this. Hell, if you want to have fun debate that certain rare forms of cancer should be protected by the endangered species act.
Actually...that'd be very interesting. Less inflamatory too, I'd bet
how about virii, bacterium, fungii etc... THough, I'm assuming that you're mentioning cancer because it's part of the body and growing within it. It's different in that it will kill the host nearly 100% of the time if left unchecked. Fetuses don't have that kind of kill-rate, thank God.
ResearchMonkey said:
Sperm>Egg. We can begin human life in jar, it will divide and grow, it will have its own unique DNA.
It can then be placed into a womb to mature, any ol’ healthy womb will do.
I think the day will come when we no longer need a natural womb to mature the child.
So yes, I would see it as a life unto its own.
Potentiality doesn't equal actuality. Individual sperm and ova have the potential for life...likewise, fertilized ova in a womb have the
potential for life.
Natural abortions happen all the time..still births and miscaries. There is less of an impact when this happens because it happens naturally, and well out of our control, right? What if I were to say that medically, we should ensure that a foetus does not miscarry by forcing the mother-to-be to be bed-bound throughout her pregnancy, and control her diet etc...in order to protect the unborn child?
Force mothers to stop smoking, drinking, driving and sports because they increase the risk of miscarries. Ask them to move outside of city limits because polution increases the chances of miscarry etc..
At which point should an unborn child/foetus be afforded the same rights as the person who is carrying it?