Airbus to Unveil Largest Passenger Jet

Professur

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PARIS (AP) -- Airbus, which has delivered more airplanes than Boeing for the second year in a row, is about to unveil another No. 1: the world's largest passenger jet.

The A380, a four-aisle, four-engine, double-decker "superjumbo," will roll onto the tarmac Tuesday at Airbus headquarters in southern France, in a lavish ceremony attended by EU leaders and thousands of guests.

Sales have beat expectations so far, and most of the technical problems that have dogged the program have been resolved, at a price.

But the real sighs of relief won't be heard in Toulouse until later -- sometime before March 31, Airbus says _ when the A380 hauls its 280-metric ton (308-ton) frame aloft.

That's when the plane's engineers will begin to find out whether their gargantuan offspring lives up to the performance promises, as the first test-flight data streams in.

In a standard three-class cabin configuration, the A380 will carry 555 passengers _ one-third more than the plane it is designed to displace, the Boeing 747.

On a full tank, it will also carry them 5 percent further than Boeing's longest-range jumbo, Airbus claims, producing costs per passenger that are up to one-fifth below its rival's.

Meeting these targets has been "no picnic," Airbus CEO Noel Forgeard acknowledged Wednesday, when he also confirmed that the A380 is both over budget and slightly overweight.

Forgeard said the plane will weigh in about 1 percent heavier than its target of 277 metric tons (305 tons) but stressed it will still deliver on promised fuel efficiency and other guarantees, since the internal benchmark was deliberately overambitious.

He said the program's $1.9 billion overspend -- 18 percent of its $10.7 billion overall budget at current exchange rates -- would likely be trimmed by a renewed cost-cutting drive.

The struggle to meet weight targets accounts for much of the overspending, Airbus officials say. Jean-Claude Schoepf, head of the A380 final assembly line, said the problem became a headache early on.

"We found there was too much mass," Schoepf said. "We had to work pretty hard to get back to the specifications we'd committed ourselves to with our clients."

Parts went back to the drawing board to be meticulously pared down, without sacrificing strength. More carbon composites were introduced _ for example, in the horizontal struts that support the two cabin floors and hold the fuselage in shape.

By using chromate-free paint, engineers got the outer paintwork down to about 350 kilograms (770 pounds), Schoepf said. ``That's compared to 550 kilograms (1,210 pounds) for a plane of this size using other paints."

At the giant hangar where Schoepf and his 1,500 engineers and support staff work, wings, nose cones and fuselage sections arrive by road convoys after being transported by barges from Bordeaux, western France, where they come in from Airbus facilities in Spain, Britain, Germany and elsewhere in France.

By 2008, Schoepf plans to hire another 1,000 staff to boost the production rate to one A380 per week.

Airbus has 139 firm A380 orders from 13 airlines and freight companies, worth $39 billion before any discounts on the plane's $280 million list price. A new 747 costs up to $211 million before discounts.

The backlog will rise when UPS Inc. finalizes a deal to acquire 10 of the A380's freighter versions, with options on 10 more.

The European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., which owns 80 percent of Airbus, says the A380 program will break even at about 250 sales.

Over the next 20 years, Airbus sees global demand for 1,250 A380-size behemoths to shuttle passengers between the world's largest airports, which serve as connecting hubs for flights to less busy destinations.

More than half the new superjumbos will fly between just 10 major airports, Airbus forecasts, mainly in Asia. Singapore Airlines Ltd. is scheduled to become the first carrier to operate the A380, in the second half of 2006.

Chicago-based Boeing Co., like Airbus, expects overall air passenger traffic to increase threefold over the next two decades. But Boeing forecasts only ``a few hundred'' sales of very large planes, as travelers reject stopovers in favor of direct service aboard smaller long-range jets -- like its fuel-efficient 7E7 Dreamliner, due to enter service in 2008.

"The data shows unquestionably that passengers, when they can, want to fly from wherever they are to wherever they're going, without having to connect in a hub,'' said Boeing spokesman Todd Blecher. "The A380 is flying into the headwind of reality."

But Boeing, which delivered 285 planes in 2004 to Airbus' 320, is hedging its bets. It announced plans last year for a larger, 450-seat 747, despite having dismissed the case for a bigger plane since Airbus began discussing the concept in 1991. A launch decision is expected in mid-2005.

Whichever way the wind blows in Toulouse on Tuesday, the A380 seems certain to become a milestone in civil aviation history alongside the 747 and Concorde. Unlike the supersonic Concorde, however, whose claim to fame was how fast it crossed the Atlantic, this latest fruit of European aerospace cooperation will ultimately be judged on how fast it makes money.

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It is to be noted that, despite all the hoopla, they've suceeded in superseeding a design from the '60s. And the only reason noone did it before is because there wasn't (and according to the article, still isn't) a market for them. Not to mention that many airports still won't be capable to handle them for decades to come.
 

unclehobart

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Most airports only hook up one umbilicus for loading and offloading passengers. It was a right royal PITA with only 200 trying to creep through the aisles and fight for overhead space ... now its going to get downright vile. I wonder if the fuel consumption per person is going down remarkably or not.
 

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Somehow i doubt that they'll all look like this. More likely the inside will resemble the worlds largest sardine can.
 

Inkara1

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HeXp£Øi± said:
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Somehow i doubt that they'll all look like this. More likely the inside will resemble the worlds largest sardine can.
I thought Prof said they superceded a design from the '60s. Those pictures look like 1960s design to me. :eek6:
 

IDLEchild

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Saw a whole "making of" special on Discovery channel a long time ago...those engines are something fierce.

and that first class looks to die for.
 

Gato_Solo

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The only thing that makes airlines viable is butts in seats. Those pictures look nice, but the prices for seats on an aircraft configured like that would make the Concorde seats look cheap. It's going to be a nightmare in the coach section...and that's the pretty picture.
 

unclehobart

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I heard a news report on it this morning. They claim twice as many aisles, wider seats, all seats will be coach, 20% cost savings overall with the new design. The main problem is that the 50 largest airports are forking over serious cash retooling to accept this beastie.
 

Gato_Solo

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unclehobart said:
I heard a news report on it this morning. They claim twice as many aisles, wider seats, all seats will be coach, 20% cost savings overall with the new design. The main problem is that the 50 largest airports are forking over serious cash retooling to accept this beastie.

They'd have to just to break even on a plane that size. As for the airports...I sense a serious problem ahead. Kennedy, LaGuardia, BWI, O'Hare, Atlanta, LAX, and SEA-TAC could probably come up with funding, but they'd also have to increase landing fees in order to support a behemoth of that size...
 

Gonz

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AIR WAR!!!

Airbus unveiled the world's biggest passenger jet in a glitzy ceremony in which the leaders of France, Britain, Germany and Spain hailed Europe's victory over the United States as the new king of the commercial skies.

Congratulations.

The catalogue price of the huge machine -- boasting a wingspan of 80 metres (262 feet), overall length of 73 metres (239 feet), height of 24 metres (79 feet) and maximum take-off weight of 560 tonnes -- is between 263 and 286 million dollars, though discounts are frequently applied.

The 747 had no buyers and was cancelled. Hope you find somebody with deep pockets.

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Gato_Solo

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BTW...Boeing, which owns Lockheed, could easily convert the C-5 platform to civilian use as a jumbo, and grab Airbus by the short-and-curlies. ;) Then again...at the rate those large-airframes cost to move...

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PT

Off 'Motherfuckin' Topic Elite
It always cracks me up to see those. You dive in the water. Ok. Do you really think that life vest in the back of your seat is going to save your ass? I'm thinking a barbed wire netting should fall, at least then you know where everyone was.
 

Professur

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And the world's largest tub of shit takes wing

A380 behemoth takes to the skies
By Lester Haines
Published Wednesday 27th April 2005 12:13 GMT
Up to 50,000 people are reported to have lined the runway at Blagnac International Airport in Toulouse to watch this morning's first lift-off of the Airbus A380, which took to the skies at 8.29 GMT and landed safely almost four hours later.



The monster twin-decker - nicely registered as F-WW0W - carried a crew of six and a "full set of flight-test instrumentation to record the thousands of parameters necessary to enable in-flight performance analysis". The maiden jaunt marks the start of up to 2,500 hours of proving flights on five test aircraft.

Airbus had already carried out extensive ground-based testing of hydraulic and electrical systems before the flight, and test pilot Jacques Rosay told the BBC his team was "confident with what has been done up to today". He did, however, add: "But we still have some doubts. We have to be very careful during all the flight because, as you say, when you are looking at new things, something may happen." Accordingly, Rosay and his team were equipped with parachutes just in case the superjumbo decided not to play ball.

The A380 was lifted from the ground by its four Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines at a record-breaking weight of 421 tonnes (928,300 lbs). The behemoth is designed to carry up to 555 passengers up to 15,000 km (8,000 nm) in "an unparalleled level of comfort, with wider seats and aisles, open spaces for passengers to stretch their legs and access to lower-deck amenities".

Total orders for the A380 currently stand at 139 aircraft spread across 13 customers - a healthy percentage of the 250 unit break-even figure previously estimated by Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard.

However, it's not been all blue skies for the A380. Back in January, Airbus commercial director John Leahy dismissed a controversial €1.5bn overspend on the project thus: "That sounds quite a lot of money until you realise you are dealing with a programme which is about €11bn."

In May last year, the planned deployment schedule suffered a knock-back when Virgin Airlines postponed delivery of the A380 until 2007 - a year later than planned. The company cited difficulties in kitting out the aircraft, and added that "delays in airports - particularly that of Los Angeles (LAX) - preparing to receive the enormous aircraft are partly behind the decision", as we reported at the time.

Nonetheless, Europe has high hopes for the A380. At the roll-out ceremony in January, Jacques Chirac described it as the "crowning achievement of a human and industrial adventure", with Brit PM Tony Blair dubbing the beast "the most exciting new aircraft in the world, a symbol of economic strength and technical innovation".
 

HomeLAN

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Re: And the world's largest tub of shit takes wing

Hartsfield-Jackson can't even take one. JFK will have to re-route and possibly rebuild taxiways. Heathrow is looking at upwards of $700 MILLION to do the type of thing JFK is looking at.

Yet, there are orders for 140 of the things.
 
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