Are you anti american?

[drkavnger99]

Just a question I've been longing for an answer from the forums readers!

I am personally a huge supporter of the american way! I do not think we are going for a pax americana like so many have said! Looking for maybe a little (CLEAN) debate.

 

[chcr]

I am personally a huge supporter of the american way!

Me too!
I have however noticed that there are "Americans" who seem to think that freedom means freedom to agree with them.

 

[drkavnger99]

I have however noticed that there are "Americans" who seem to think that freedom means freedom to agree with them.

Agreed, I hate seeing ppl burning the US flag. To me that symbolizes not hate of a current administration but hate of the country itself. Also I don't understand (and maybe someone can explain to me) how these demonstrators one minute says I don't support violence of any type against someone and then physically fight with the police!

 

[unclehobart]

The question is way too broad. I love the land, I love the people, I love the idealistic concept contained within the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, I love being in the cutting edge of technology and advancements. However, I despise the dog and pony show that government has become, tort reform is well overdue, warehouses of books with nothing but laws upon laws upon laws that restrict freedom instead of enforcing them, a muddy and conflicting top heavy tax structure.

 

[PT]

^^^Yup Yup.

Pretty well. I love my country. I would die for my country if I had to. However, I will also question my country if it does something it shouldn't.

 

[chcr]

Agreed, I hate seeing ppl burning the US flag.

I guess I just don't understand that one. I know a lot of people feel that way, but I've always felt that its the idea that's important, not the symbol. Just my opinion

 

[MrBishop]

I'm not American...
I have issues with some of the Americanisms, which is why I prefer being Canadian.
I do not hate Americans.

I would like to point out a few CAN things that might help improve the USA tho'.

IMHO

*Remove the Right to bear Arms (Too many damn guns and people being killed by them...including kids for my likeness)
*Too many lawsuits...look at the Canadian way...you can't just sue anybody for any reason...no personal lawsuits.
*Healthcare: It's free up here...we have a weaker economy..why can't it be free down there?
*School $$$. $10-15k/year You've got to be joking! I went through University and got my BA...it took 3 years and cost me under $8,000.00

 

[PT]

*Remove the Right to bear Arms (Too many damn guns and people being killed by them...including kids for my likeness)
*Too many lawsuits...look at the Canadian way...you can't just sue anybody for any reason...no personal lawsuits.
*Healthcare: It's free up here...we have a weaker economy..why can't it be free down there?
*School $$$. $10-15k/year You've got to be joking! I went through University and got my BA...it took 3 years and cost me under $8,000.00

1. We aren't giving up our guns. You can argue dead children all you want, it's not going to happen.

2. I agree, those guns we have should make it easier to take the lawyers out, problem solved.

3. Healthcare, take a look at your system realistically, it's not working, it's barely hanging on. That is up for discussion however.

4. I agree, there are some schools that charge way too much, but there are other good schools that don't. Depends alot on if you are a resident of the state or not in the state Universities too.

 

[flavio]

Also I don't understand (and maybe someone can explain to me) how these demonstrators one minute says I don't support violence of any type against someone and then physically fight with the police!

I haven't heard much about fighting with police. But there always seems to be small splinter groups that have a different agenda.

 

[Jeslek]

*Remove the Right to bear Arms (Too many damn guns and people being killed by them...including kids for my likeness)

Forget it. I for one am rather fond of guns. I love shooting and it is a hobby for me. Don't punish law-abiding citizens for the fuckups of others.

*Healthcare: It's free up here...we have a weaker economy..why can't it be free down there?

And you neglected to mention it doesn't work up here.

*School $$$. $10-15k/year You've got to be joking! I went through University and got my BA...it took 3 years and cost me under $8,000.00

My parents paid $7,000 per year for my high school education in Canada, and I pay $3,500 per four month period for a university education. Cheap my ass.

 

[RD_151]

*School $$$. $10-15k/year You've got to be joking! I went through University and got my BA...it took 3 years and cost me under $8,000.00

Where? I'd like to find a university for $10/15k a year here! A grad school under $30k/year might be even better.

Ok, socialism has some good points, but the costs seem to be higher than the benefits for most. As far as guns go, well, nah, that won't work here. I'm really shocked when I look at how dangerous US cities are compared to European cities, or any other cities for that matter, but its not the guns, its the people. I suppose we could outlaw people in cities, that might work to reduce the violence and crime, but then what do you have? As for all the frivolous law suits, well, we have a lot of attorneys here. I'm not sure on the exact percentage, but I know its north of 80% of all attorneys in the world reside in the United States. We'd have to get rid of a hell of a lot of them to do anything about these lawsuits. Its not gonna happen, but that one I can agree with you on. On health care, well, Jeslek covered that pretty well. Most of the worlds socialized medical systems are failing or will soon when the baby boomers start really sucking up a good portion of the nations of the worlds GDP for medical treatment. Just like Social Security, socialized medicine will end up being another Ponzi scheme colapsing under its own weight in the next 50 years or so.

Ok, get rid of the lawyers! Yep, I agree with one statement.

Btw, I also would like to retain my (first amendment) right to burn the flag as well.

 

[Luis G]

The question it too ambiguous to answer.

 

[unclehobart]

There is no such thing as free... especially in healthcare. Youre just paying for it on the sly. the costs are roughly 1/3 less.. but at the cost of being put on a long waiting list for even the most simple of proceedures.

 

[RD_151]

The biggest problem with socialized health care is that the quality is lower, the quantity of diagnostic equipment is lower, and less accessible, and basically you get what you pay for. Our health care costs are out of control because people here feel they have a 'god-given right' the best health care treatments and drugs money can buy. Maybe they don't, and maybe that is the problem here. However, in a socialized system, you ONLY get whats approved, and whats affordable. It costs a hell of a lot more here, but if you want to pay for it, at least you can get it, and get it NOW! In fact, a lot of Canadians come to the states and pay for it rather than die while remaing on the waiting lists.

 

[kuulani]

I guess most everyone knows my answer.

I hate the fact that my country is American by force.

 

[freako104]

like unc i love this place and the people in it. im not too fond of the gov't tho. and as far as the right to bear arms, i think we should have that right and as ive said so many times before. HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING TRAINING FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry but as jizlick said dont punish all for the errors of few. and your health care is a lot like communism. in theory it works

 

[AlladinSane]

The biggest problem with socialized health care is that the quality is lower, the quantity of diagnostic equipment is lower, and less accessible, and basically you get what you pay for.

I'd rather stuck with socialized health care than noone. In fact I'm depending of it now because I simply can't afford a private health plan...

 

[MrBishop]

Re: Healthcare....I've heard...correct me if I'm wrong here. Putting a second mortgage on a house to get heart surgery is par for the course.

Hospitals often refuse to treat people who are uninsured, or cannot guarantee payment.

**In canada...I can have a heart attack...go to a hospital, stay there for a month waiting for my surgery (Semi-private room), have my surgery, stay at the hospital recovering and leave after a while...When I get home...NO BILL TO PAY...unless I rented the TV set, or wanted a private room.
It sucks that it might not last long, but in the meanwhile...WOW!

School: When I said under $8k....I meant WAY under 8k...and at a Major University (Concordia). Cheap Schooling is a GREAT THING! Everyone and anyone with the smarts and the will to go to school, CAN!

 

[HomeLAN]

Hope you don't crap out in that month-long interim. God knows, they won't move you up the list.

 

[RD_151]

School: When I said under $8k....I meant WAY under 8k...and at a Major University (Concordia). Cheap Schooling is a GREAT THING! Everyone and anyone with the smarts and the will to go to school, CAN!

Well, I don't know about Canada, but in Europe, that system seems a little unfair. I argue about this issue with my wife all the time. Sure, she got all the education she wanted, and didn't pay a dime (or should I say crown) but what about the people who become destined to sweep floors and clean toilets at the age of 6 or so? Does that seem like a wonderful way to treat people. The brightest are selected very young, and they get everything free, while those of less ability get disgarded along the way. Nah, again, I prefer our way. Everyone has a chance here. Ok, not everyone is gonna go to Harvard or Yale and become president, but at least they have a choice not to sweep floors and clean toilets if they want to do something, anything better.

I don't expect Canada is as bad as Europe, but I also expect is not as easy to go to school as it is here. I think providing opportunity for all has some merit as well.

I hear ya on the heart attacks though. I took my dad in for some chest pains last year. There was nothing wrong, and still I think it came to a little over $30k, that was for 2 or 3 days in the hospital and the usual battery of tests.