Berkeley, CA Wants Marines Out

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Cerise

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Libs won't let the facts get in the way of a good anti-Bush rant.

Saddam didn't expect the US to unleash a full-scale attack. He thought it would come Clinton-style 1998.

So he used ambiguous words and limited access to inspectors to create a hoax and ultimately fend off Iran's interest in dominating the region.

It didn't turn out as Saddam expected, and he found himself at the end of a short rope looking at a long drop.

Iraq is ushered into the 21st century. The US has a foothold in the heart of the Middle East, all the better to counter Iminajihad's nuclear ambitions.

The anti-war element is the anti-America element. Terrorist savagery is AOK with them, but let the military waterboard a captive to force information out of him and all hell breaks loose. You get the protesters, the limp senators, the media all voicing their opposition---that it's not faaaiiirrr---that they have rriigghhttss---that they need laaawwwyeerrs. Makes it obvious which side that element is on.



This gem was on the Berkeley city council's to do list. Have they no shame?

RECOMMENDATION: Send a letter to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Diana Finley and Liberal Party leader Stephane Dion requesting that the government of Canada establish provisions to provide sanctuary for U.S. military service members who are living in Canada to resist fighting in the Iraq War.

BACKGROUND: Throughout the Vietnam War era, Canada provided a place of refuge for United States citizens seeking to resist the war. Because of Canada’s rich tradition of being a refuge from militarism, approximately 200 U.S. military service people have moved to Canada to resist fighting in the Iraq War.http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/uploadedFiles/Clerk/2008-02-04 Agenda Committee Agenda.pdf

Must've gotten shelved in all the fuss.
 

Gonz

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---that they have rriigghhttss---

That is where the problem starts...and ends.

These people are armed enemy combatants. Their sole desire is the downfall & overthrow of the United States. Even the Supreme Court agreed, they have no rights.

Bring them (Gitmo & elsewhere overseas) to our soil & give them lawyers & this fight is lost. Perhaps all future fights too since precedent will be set.

They are our enemy, not simply criminals.
 

spike

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Libs won't let the facts get in the way of a good anti-Bush rant.

Facts have never stopped you from giving a good pro-Bush suck off.

It didn't turn out as Saddam expected, and he found himself at the end of a short rope looking at a long drop.

Sure didn't turn out like Bush expected either did it? Throwing flowers and such :laugh: Now that people have caught on to his lies finally most of the country is ashamed of him.

Iraq is ushered into the 21st century.

You mean by having less in general than they had before? Pesky facts again, sorry.

The US has a foothold in the heart of the Middle East, all the better to counter Iminajihad's nuclear ambitions.

Yeah, those ambitions that have been proven to be more lies by our own intelligence agencies. Damn you're gullible.

The anti-war element is the anti-America element. Terrorist savagery is AOK with them, but let the military waterboard a captive to force information out of him and all hell breaks loose.

The pro-war people are the Anti-American movement. They advocate invading countries that are no threat and torture both of which would have the founders of this country rolling in their graves.
 

spike

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That is where the problem starts...and ends.

These people are armed enemy combatants. Their sole desire is the downfall & overthrow of the United States.

All those Iraqis trying to overthrow the US. :laugh:

You'll believe anything.
 

Cerise

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Yeah, those ambitions that have been proven to be more lies by our own intelligence agencies. Damn you're gullible.

If you'd pay attention to something besides the anti-American crap you seem to Jones for
you would've come across this:

US Spy Chief Retreats From Iran Intel

The top US intelligence official is backing away from his agency's recent assessment that Iran halted its 'nuclear weapons program'.



At a Tuesday hearing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell said he wishes he had written the unclassified version of the document differently.

"I would change the way we describe the Iranian nuclear program. I would have included that there are the component parts, that the portion of it, maybe the least significant, had halted," he said. http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=41971&sectionid=351020104
 

spike

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If you'd pay attention to something besides the anti-American crap you seem to Jones for
you would've come across this:

If you would pay attention to something besides Anti-American rhetoric you wouldn't have missed this:

"Sixteen US spy agencies concluded in their December 3 National Intelligence Estimate that Iran is not conducting a nuclear weapons program."

You probably support that anti-American warrantless wiretapping too eh?
 

Cerise

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If you'd have bothered to check the story at the link you would've seen
Feb. 6, 2008 as the date it was written.

So unless you have anything newer than Dec. 3, 2007 you've got old news.

Thanks for playing.
 

spike

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Holy shit, your complaining about me using the story you posted yourself. :laugh:

Can't even be bothered to read your own links. Thanks for playing indeed.
 

Cerise

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Holy shit, your complaining about me using the story you posted yourself. :laugh:

Can't even be bothered to read your own links. Thanks for playing indeed.


You can't spin your way out of this one.

When you posted
Yeah, those ambitions that have been proven to be more lies by our own intelligence agencies. Damn you're gullible.
you were responding to
The US has a foothold in the heart of the Middle East, all the better to counter Iminajihad's nuclear ambitions.
and referring to
"Sixteen US spy agencies concluded in their December 3 National Intelligence Estimate that Iran is not conducting a nuclear weapons program."

but you were operating under the assumption that you had the most up-to-date information, which you didn't, as the date on http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=41971&sectionid=351020104 shows, all because you were hoping to find an opportunity to use the word "gullible."

Like I said, oooh soorry. Soooo soorrry.


:rofl3:
 

jimpeel

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Cerise,

Cut him some slack. He read the first sentence of the story after the header and likely didn't read any farther because that was satisfactory to his needs.

Who needs the whole story anyway? It just gets in the way of all that conjecture.
 

spike

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but you were operating under the assumption that you had the most up-to-date information, which you didn't

I assumed that you approved of your own article which states that 16 agencies found the same thing. It also states that one guy is having second thoughts.

No doubt from the embarrasment it caused your hero.

Now if you can find something which shows that the 16 agencies have admitted they were completely mistaken go ahead.

Otherwise, thanks for playing.
 

Cerise

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;)


“This is a slap in the face to all brave service men and women and their families,” DeMint stated on his Web site. “The First Amendment gives the city of Berkeley the right to be idiotic, but from now on they should do it with their own money. If the city can’t show respect for the Marines that have fought, bled and died for their freedom, Berkeley should not be receiving special taxpayer funded handouts.

Senator DeMint went on to detail the plans for the invasion. “And I don’t think that the American taxpayer should be forced to pay for programs that support a city that sees an organization like World Can’t Wait as indicative of the American people. Keep it up, Berkeley. We’re coming for you!” Several scuffles reportedly broke out, and one protestor was punched in the face. Berkeley police remained on the scene to try and keep order, but, according to many on the ground, the scene denigrated into an all out brawl. [http://www???.com]
 

jimpeel

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Bush is the Commander-in-Chief, therefore it is his war. He lied to Congress.

Your problem is that you can't get it through your head that it was not ONLY Bush saying that Saddam had WMDs.

The following has been circulating in the Internet for several years now and there is no way that you will ever be able to convince anyone here that you have never before seen it.

Snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp has verified the veracity of these quotes from your Democrat heroes some of which were stated long before Bush ever took office. I have flagged those in RED. Are they liars also? Were they lying then or are they lying now?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." S
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES???

THESE ARE YOUR LIBERAL DEMOCRATS SAYING THESE THINGS AND YET BUSH IS A LIAR?
 
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