CA Marijuana Legalization on the ballot!

valkyrie

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-gutwillig/ca-marijuana-legalization_b_511484.html
CA Marijuana Legalization Initiative to Qualify for Ballot Today
by
Stephen Gutwillig
Today, an initiative that would legalize personal marijuana possession and allow regulated sales of marijuana to adults will qualify for California's November general election ballot. A win at the ballot would be a first of its kind in U.S. history. This is a remarkable moment in the struggle to change our decades-old marijuana policies.

Marijuana was prohibited in 1937 before most Americans had ever heard of it. Today the U.S. leads the world in marijuana consumption. Nearly 26 million Americans used marijuana last year and more than 100 million have tried it in their lifetimes. A huge commodity of the underground economy, marijuana is the nation's top cash crop, valued at $14 billion in California alone. Our state Board of Equalization has estimated we would generate $1.4 billion a year by taxing marijuana like alcohol.

Like it or not, marijuana has become a mainstream recreational drug. It is second only to alcohol and cigarettes in popularity and is objectively far less harmful than either. Marijuana is drastically less addictive and cannot cause an overdose. Every major independent study has debunked the gateway myth; for the profound majority of users, marijuana is the only drug people sample not the first. Children across the country consistently report that marijuana is easy for them to get from their peers and the black market while significant barriers exist to buying alcohol and cigarettes.

Unthinkable carnage in Mexico has claimed 15,000 lives since the Calderon government declared war on drug cartels three years ago. Our government estimates the cartels generate at least 60% of their profits from marijuana alone. Following the murders of several U.S. consular workers, Secretary of State Clinton returned to Mexico this week, acknowledging that demand in the U.S. dominates these markets. But she didn't acknowledge that rampant violence is not a byproduct of the cannabis plant itself but of the prohibition that creates a profit motive people are willing to kill for.

Americans are increasingly turning against the prohibition that fails to protect our kids and guarantees a monopoly of profits to violent criminal syndicates on both sides of the border. While polls have long confirmed that large majorities favor treating marijuana possession as an infraction without arrest let alone jail, support for ending marijuana prohibition outright is quickly gaining speed. A Gallup poll last year reported that a historic 44 percent of Americans favor legalization, a 10-point jump since 2001. Meanwhile, sizable majorities of Californians are ahead of that curve, giving rise to the historic initiative we'll vote on this fall.

With this cultural transition underway, you might think enforcement of our marijuana laws would reflect their unpopularity. Sadly, quite the opposite is the case. Arrests for marijuana offenses have actually tripled nationwide since 1991. In California, which decriminalized low-level possession in 1975, arrests have jumped 127 percent in the same two decades the arrest rate for crime in general fell by 40 percent. Police made nearly 850,000 marijuana arrests across the country last year, half of all drug arrests and more than all violent crime arrests combined. No law in the United States is enforced so widely yet deemed so unnecessary.

Worse still, marijuana laws are enforced selectively with racist results. In California, African Americans are three times more likely than whites to be arrested for a marijuana offense despite comparable or even lower rates of consumption. An expose by the Pasadena Weekly found that blacks, who represent 14 percent of that city's population, accounted for more than half all marijuana arrests in the last five years.

It's hard to overstate the significance of the vote this November. Banning marijuana outright has been a disaster, fueling a massive, increasingly brutal, underground economy, wasting billions in scarce law enforcement resources, and making criminals of countless law-abiding citizens. Elected officials haven't stopped these punitive, profligate policies. Now voters can bring the reality check of sensible marijuana regulation to California.
 

catocom

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I think Cheech, and Tommy will get it through this time.
I wonder, does Willie Nelson live in Ca.???
 

ResearchMonkey

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Three days to clear your blood, I bet DUI's go up. Corporate insurance will still require drug test for machine operators and drivers. I wonder how expensive it will be to Nat'l health care since pot can being on otherwise manageable mental illenss's. I wonder if Nat'l health care will eliminate all smoking eventually?
 

valkyrie

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Three days to clear your blood, I bet DUI's go up. Corporate insurance will still require drug test for machine operators and drivers. I wonder how expensive it will be to Nat'l health care since pot can being on otherwise manageable mental illenss's. I wonder if Nat'l health care will eliminate all smoking eventually?
Would you mind rewriting that in English, please? (Not trying to insult but I can't understand what you wrote.)
:confused:
 

catocom

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Three days to clear your blood, I bet DUI's go up. Corporate insurance will still require drug test for machine operators and drivers. I wonder how expensive it will be to Nat'l health care since pot can being on otherwise manageable mental illenss's. I wonder if Nat'l health care will eliminate all smoking eventually?

They can test 'levels', similar to alcohol, but it'd be harder to spot to start with probably.

I suspect they'll have 'road test' blood meters soon anyway like those diabetes testers.
 

Gonz

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It is ironic.

Damn near every lefty beauracrat has gone out of their way to end the evils of tobacco while working diligently to make marijuana smoking legal.
 

valkyrie

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It is ironic.

Damn near every lefty beauracrat has gone out of their way to end the evils of tobacco while working diligently to make marijuana smoking legal.
We have smokers at my work. There's been a push by certain Right-Wing Holy-Roller office ladies, who I shall not name :)rolleyes: ), to make it so the smokers can't smoke outside the building. They claim it gives the wrong impression of our company, even though the smokers smoke about 20 feet away from the back door. I support their right to smoke. Tobacco is not illegal and these biddies need to mind their own business.

Anyway, back to marijuana. You don't have to smoke marijuana to get a high. There are other ways of taking it. But aside from that...
"The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer."
 

catocom

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Anyway, back to marijuana. You don't have to smoke marijuana to get a high. There are other ways of taking it.

yeah, I knew 2 people (so far) personally, that died from huffing ...
one from glue, and one from gasoline.
Sad. It's a bad way to go too.
 

ResearchMonkey

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Ah, ok...
my response would be: so can alcohol.
And I'm sure you believe your response makes perfect sense.

Alcohol is processed at a rate ~3hrs for 1oz ~pure alcohol. Pot metabolizes minimum of ~3days; which means you cannot drive for 3days after getting high if your an occasional doper. Lot's of people will be unhirable and many will be at work while still under the influence.

You might think thats fine if you're the doper but the people paying the bills don't.
 

MrBishop

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And I'm sure you believe your response makes perfect sense.

Alcohol is processed at a rate ~3hrs for 1oz ~pure alcohol. Pot metabolizes minimum of ~3days; which means you cannot drive for 3days after getting high if your an occasional doper. Lot's of people will be unhirable and many will be at work while still under the influence.

You might think thats fine if you're the doper but the people paying the bills don't.

If you're getting 3-days of buzz from one hit, it makes me wonder where you're getting your stuff.
 

valkyrie

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If you're getting 3-days of buzz from one hit, it makes me wonder where you're getting your stuff.
I actually made the mistake of eating an entire "space cake" in Utrecht once. I was still high the next day, but not for 3 days. To his credit, the guy behind the counter told us not to eat the whole piece of cake at once but we had already purchased one in Amsterdam the previous day and got not even a tiny buzz from it... nothing at all. So we assumed that this was the same and ate the whole thing. Nothing weirder than waking up the next day fully high from the previous day. I am not kidding... just weird. We had to go to the Post Office and then later we went to the Escher Museum... talk about trippy.

But 3 days? Really... not likely. And not really gonna happen if you smoke it. Eating it prolongs the effects but smoking it does not.
 
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