CA Marijuana Legalization on the ballot!

[valkyrie]

Metabolites -- 3days.

trufax

Half-Life of THC...
http://www.ehow.com/about_5279857_marijuana-effect-metabolism.html
"THC remains in the plasma for at least three days with a half-life of 28 hours, increased to 57 hours for nonusers. "

It's going to depend ... I'll try to research more online. This was the first I found.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Knock yourself out Val. Immunoassay testing doesn't test for THC, it test for specific ~metabolites. Secondary, CGMS does the same.

 

[MrBishop]

Cannabis Duration
Smoked
Total Duration
1 - 4 hrs
Onset
0 - 10 mins
Coming Up
5 - 10 mins
Plateau
15 - 30 mins
Coming Down
45 - 180 mins


After Effects
2 - 24 hrs
Hangover / Day After
0 - 24 hrs
Cannabis Duration
Oral
Total Duration
4 - 10 hrs
Onset
30 - 120 mins
Coming Up
30 - 60 mins
Plateau
2 - 5 hours
Coming Down
1 - 2 hours


After Effects
6 - 12 hrs
Hangover / Day After
0 - 24 hrs

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml

So...you're fucked for around 2-5 hours...but mostly for only a few hours. Depending on the amount of alcohol you have (plus your weight, bmi, metabolism etc), and when you stop drinking, you can have similar duration of effect.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Whats great about your chart is that: while your high, you can test negative until you build up enough metabolites to meet the test threshold. In otherwords, a clean person can do bong-hits in the waiting room and test clean.

Keep smokin', ignorance is bliss.

 

[valkyrie]

Whats great about your chart is that: while your high, you can test negative until you build up enough metabolites to meet the test threshold. In otherwords, a clean person can do bong-hits in the waiting room and test clean.

Keep smokin', ignorance is bliss.

What "metabolites" are you referring to, then. I want to give your argument the benefit of the doubt but it's so vague. Sorry, not trying to start something here.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/metabolites

And ignorance is not bliss... it can be dangerous (on both sides). Just as there is no "reefer madness" and it has been proven that marijuana is not a gateway drug, it is also important to understand that marijuana, just like alcohol, is a mind altering substance. One should never get behind the wheel of a vehicle while under the influence of any substance that impairs the ability to react, etc. Responsible drinking, just like responsible smoking, should always take place.

Metabolism of alcohol...
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/alerts/l/blnaa35.htm

 

[catocom]

What info I saw said that it can remain in the blood up to 30 days.
Also that it causes alcohol to remain longer too, there by possibly
causing higher intoxication in time/food/amount calculation.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

ETOH is water soluble, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is fat soluble. Completely different in how your body interacts and process it.

Metabolism does not equate to metabolites. Metabolites are byproducts of how your organs are dealing with a specific chemistry.

Pot inferes with how the hippocampus process the recording of memory, specifically short term memory. Since learning is based on short term memory; Pot smokers, where stupid is made. Ignorance IS bliss.

@cato:

Correct, if you have organ problems, the processing can take longer depending on which organs/chemical combos your talking about. When you drink, ETOH permeates all body tissues, even your knee caps.

 

[valkyrie]

I'm trying to understand your use of the word "metabolites".
metabolite
1. A substance produced by metabolism.
2. A substance necessary for or taking part in a particular metabolic process. Examples of metabolites are glucose in the metabolism of sugars and starches, amino acids in the biosynthesis of proteins, and squalene in the biosynthesis of cholesterol.

Anyway... there is always going to be people who drink every day or drink to excess. They are alcoholics. They have a problem.

Marijuana is the same way. There is always going to be people who will use it every day.

In both situations it's the person who has the problem and that problem needs to be dealt with. Over use of any such substance is going to cause negative affects on the body.

 

[catocom]

I have to agree that there's no substitute for "personal responsibility"... on anything.

With out it, there can be no freedom...for long.

 

[valkyrie]

I have to agree that there's no substitute for "personal responsibility"... on anything.

With out it, there can be no freedom...for long.

Agreed! Wholeheartedly! Responsible drinking. Responsible smoking.

 

[Gonz]

BAD

GOOD

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I'm trying to understand your use of the word "metabolites".

metabolite

1. A substance produced by metabolism.
2. A substance necessary for or taking part in a particular metabolic process.

Well there it is there isn't it.

People will always abuse drugs; be it booze, dope or chocolate cake, often to the point of death. But who is silly ol' me to try and convince a doper who knows so much about the personal responsibilities of getting high.

Hey looky me, I'm typing words on the internet

 

[valkyrie]

BAD

GOOD

Not necessarily, Gonz. I'm surprised you think so. I wouldn't have guessed you would have responded that way.

Tobacco use is usually not limited to once a week. Tobacco users often smoke more than once a day. This is not to say that some people who abuse marijuana are doing so more than once a day. G actually knows someone who used to smoke more than 5 times a day. That's someone with a substance abuse problem. Same as if they had 5 drinks of alcohol a day.

Then there are tobacco users that only smoke on occasion, socially. They tend not to be at the same risk of cancer as someone who smokes 2 packs a day.

 

[valkyrie]

Well there it is there isn't it.

People will always abuse drugs; be it booze, dope or chocolate cake, often to the point of death. But who is silly ol' me to try and convince a doper who knows so much about the personal responsibilities of getting high.

Hey looky me, I'm typing words on the internet

We're bringing obesity into the picture? Well, you have a point there. Food abuse is, in some ways, akin to substance abuse. So I will agree with you here. How many people die each year as a result of food abuse? Obesity is attributed to high blood pressure, diabetes and heart disease, to name a few of the problems. Some cancers are also linked to obesity as well. So I'll give you that one for sure.

But we're still talking about abuse of a substance, be it alcohol, food or marijuana. There's going to be people who will abuse any of these things. There are even sex addicts. But all of these things, in moderation, are not harmful. (Cuz I love sex! But hell, not all day every day! Shit!)I would even go as far as to say that tobacco (without the additives from the tobacco manufacturers) does not have to be harmful in moderation.

Oh, and BTW, you didn't really explain how you are using the word "metabolites". So I'm still confused with your post below.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

No. Sugar and chocolate both have psychactive chemicals that can breach the BloodBrainBarrier with physiological effect. -- they are drugs.

As for the use of the word "metabolites", I'm using it as a noun but that not whats important here. The subject of metabolites is a bit complex in whole cloth. I don't really see any point in explaining the phys/pharm neuro/bio process and relationship to you. It wouldn't make any difference in your rationalized processing of the material.

 

[Gonz]

Not necessarily, Gonz. I'm surprised you think so. I wouldn't have guessed you would have responded that way.

You couldn't see my tongue planted firmly in my cheek?

As far as addictions go...If you can cure yourself by changing your habits, it's not a disease.

 

[valkyrie]

You couldn't see my tongue planted firmly in my cheek?

Heh... I guess sarcasm doesn't come through so well in text.

As far as addictions go...If you can cure yourself by changing your habits, it's not a disease.

Some people can not cure themselves of their addiction. If they could there wouldn't be products to help like Nicorette and no need for cessation help from the medical profession.

I don't really equate habit or addiction with disease, though we know that an addiction to alcohol can result in various diseases (i.e., scoliosis of the liver).

 

[valkyrie]

No. Sugar and chocolate both have psychactive chemicals that can breach the BloodBrainBarrier with physiological effect. -- they are drugs.

As for the use of the word "metabolites", I'm using it as a noun but that not whats important here. The subject of metabolites is a bit complex in whole cloth. I don't really see any point in explaining the phys/pharm neuro/bio process and relationship to you. It wouldn't make any difference in your rationalized processing of the material.

Food by itself can have a psychological affect. I know an acquaintance (through someone else) who is very obese. I feel bad for the guy. He always seems to be exhausted. Movement is difficult for him. He looked into having surgery to reduce the size of his stomach but they told him he was a risk for surgery and they would not perform the surgery without him losing weight. That's how big he is. He confessed to my friend that food is the only thing that gives him pleasure. When food takes the place of all that is pleasurable then it is like a drug to the brain.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Food by itself can have a psychological affect. I know an acquaintance (through someone else) who is very obese. I feel bad for the guy. He always seems to be exhausted. Movement is difficult for him. He looked into having surgery to reduce the size of his stomach but they told him he was a risk for surgery and they would not perform the surgery without him losing weight. That's how big he is. He confessed to my friend that food is the only thing that gives him pleasure. When food takes the place of all that is pleasurable then it is like a drug to the brain.

I find your understanding comforting. I look forward to our new socialist health care program.

 

[2minkey]

awww, everybody feel bad for the fat guy.