Disagree with Obama, get branded a racist

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  1. Inkara1

    Inkara1 Well-Known Member

  2. spike

    spike New Member

    Wow, when we used to disagree with Bush we only got called terrorist sympathizers, America haters, and commies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13dowd.html?_r=2
     
  3. Gonz

    Gonz molṑn labé Staff Member

    The racist tag has been coming. Now it's here.

    WOOHOO!!!
     
  4. Inkara1

    Inkara1 Well-Known Member

    And that is relevant to my post how?

    I haven't been able to find anything that he's still a member of Sons of the Confederate Veterans. So if we're allowed to make the leap that he belonged to the group at one time, without knowing if he still is, and thus burns crosses, then shouldn't we also be allowed to make the leap about Obama and ACORN, etc.? I mean, if you're going to play the "your guys did this so it makes what my guys are doing OK" card, then at least be consistent with it. As for the confederate flag, I don't suppose you've ever heard the term, "heritage, not hate." For the third claim about the "smear," when did he call it a smear and what did we know about it AT THAT TIME? Until we know those facts, that argument is invalid.
     
  5. spike

    spike New Member

    Let me illustrate this for you.

    Disagree with Obama, get branded a ______ .

    Disagree with Bush, get branded a ______ .

    See the similarity?

    While there is some evidence that Wilson could have racist tendencies there was no reason to be called terrorist sympathizers or America haters.

    That said we don't know for sure if Wilson is a racist. Someone should find out if he's still a member of the Sons.

    The Thurmond thing sounds pretty damn racist though.

    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmem...-rep-wilsons-emotions-got-the-best-of-him.php
     
  6. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    The truth is both side have been whiny little bitches to some extent. The cons have been far whinier and bitchier and more petty. The cons have also supported more of their case on lies and larger exaggerations.
     
  7. Inkara1

    Inkara1 Well-Known Member

    So? I said absolutely nothing about what happened during the Bush administration. What happened then has nothing to do with my post, which is that "racist" is becoming a common rebuttal for any criticism of the current president. You trying to say that people disagreeing with Bush got branded anti-American is simply you trying to distract others from the issue at hand. Related reading.

    COULD HAVE racist tendencies. Is "could have" enough for a conviction?

    Indeed, we don't know for sure. I have seen testimony from people who know him that he's not, though. Further, if he is still a member of the Sons, assuming he's racist based on that would be another logical fallacy.

    So if all other facts of the case were equal except that the maid were white, can you say for sure that Wilson would not have said the same things? Fathering a child out of wedlock and hiding it for decades would be a black eye on anyone's record regardless of races involved. Further, he does have a point about "ZOMG HE GOT A BLACK GIRL PREGNANT AND MADE LITTLE MULATTO BABIES" clouding up all the good things Thurmond and Jefferson did. Maybe he didn't word that point in a way that would make it clear to you in particular, but that doesn't make the point invalid.
     
  8. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    As I have said before the right is obsessed with finding and parroting anything that might color the left as the racists. The left may be too quick to assume things but the right is obsessed with smear campaigns, they have been for years. When you have no real platform to stand on, attack the other guy!
     
  9. Inkara1

    Inkara1 Well-Known Member

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  10. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    Considering who Bush was and who Obama is, I still say more petty.

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    At least they were on to something with Bush being an idiot. These criticisms above have little or nothing to do with reality.

    Oh but wait, you agree more with the anti Obama sentiment, and that makes it all OK right?
     
  11. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    Actually I'd like you to explain to me why my pics are not more petty than yours?

    Obama is not a communist, no matter how much you dislike him or his policies and you know it.

    Obama is not the Antichrist, and doesn't even show any of the supposed signs!

    Obama is not a terrorist, and has done nothing to warrant such an attack. Just more lies and hype from the right!

    Death panels? Come on, are they serious?

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    Wow did he really say all that? Oh yeah he did! More petty? Equally petty? Please explain?!?
     
  12. spike

    spike New Member

    No, it has everything to do with your post. The right tries to cast everyone that disagrees with Bush as terrorist sympathizers and hating America and some on the left try to cast one guy with serious racial questions as racist aand you don't see the similarity at all? That's ridiculous.

    Gonz and Cerise were immediately posting videos of people groaning or booing at Bush's STOU speech to justify Wilson shouting out "You lie" which is obviously far more extreme. Just as "terrorist sympathizer" and "hate America" is far more extreme than calling racism on a guy with questionable racist issues.

    I don't advocate either but doing something to someone, getting it back, and then complaining smacks of hypocrisy. There also undeniably a ton of racist sentiment towards Obama. I've been frequenting the Stormfront forums and it's sickening and a lot of those people mix in without you knowing. Who knew the first mixed race president was going to be devisive and have some possible racial issues?

    It's very hard to tell what people are just being racist because they hide it. It's a slippery thing to pinpoint. It gets called when it's not and it doesn't get called when it is sometimes.

    Some of this ends up with the old "who's going to be the better man" situation. I'm trying to be reasonable but so many on the right are still not being reasonable. They talk about death panels, killing grandma, eugenics, commies, anti-christ, religious persecution through healthcare, Obama is a scary muslim, birthers, etc.

    And you're going to complain about a guy who violated protocol yelling at the president with a questionably racist background being labeled racist? Ok fine, I've had insulting labels thrown at me since I've been on these forums and the left has had a ton of labels thrown at them through the Bush years.

    Obama has been trying to be the better man and working with the other side. It frustrates me some times."Step on their neck, be a total tool like Bush was! Ram this shit down their throats like bush did." But alas he's not like that,

    So I'll attempt to be the better man. How about I don't accuse someone of racism unless it's proven and you encourage the right here to cut out the commie, birther, death panel, etc bullshit?


    I picked that "could" word carefully. I'm glad you appreciated it.

    Look, you're obviously smart and you don't seem to fall into the drama that some on the right do. You want to be reasonable? Sounds good.

    Let's be reasonable. You gotta help calm down some of this craziness though. I know you stepped up on the birther thread but there's a lot more.
     
  13. Dave

    Dave Well-Known Member

    zzzzzzzz
     
  14. ResearchMonkey

    ResearchMonkey Well-Known Member

    nigger nigger nigger!

    lol, I must be a racist!
     
  15. Altron

    Altron Well-Known Member

    Newsflash: Bush isn't president. He hasn't been president for 8 months now. We have a new president. Get over it. Saying "It's ok for us to do it, because you did it a few years ago" isn't relevant at all.

    The topic here is Joe Wilson.

    Frankly, I think it's a big steaming pile of bullshit to say that he doesn't like Obama simply because of skin color. If a white guy was doing all the things Obama is doing, would all the Republicans get on their knees and worship him? No fkin way... they'd hate him just as much as they hate Obama. Their hatred isn't based on race, it's based on political idealogy. They hate Obama for the bailout, for the Czars, for Government Motors, for socialized healthcare, for many reasons.

    But, when it's on the news, it's a lot smarter to say "Well, that guy hates Obama because he's a racist, so his complaints have no validity" rather than "Well, the guy hates Obama because he has serious concerns about his policies, and doesn't think that Obama is steering our country in the right direction" which would require further examination to determine its validity.

    By branding any dissenters as racists, they discredit people who speak out against Obama's radical reforms, leaving no room for an informed discussion on the positive and negative aspects of Obama's policies.

    As for the "Sons of Confederate Veterans" being essentially the same as the KKK, that opinion is completely misguided and ignorant. It's an organization based on cultural heritage. The Confederacy wasn't about oppressing black people. There were a lot of causes of the Civil War, and slavery wasn't one of them.
     
  16. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    So you got one thing right! That doesn't change the fact that I have never seen anything like the hatred, hate-mongering, fear-mongering out of the "right" towards any president in all my years. Grant you with Bush it was bad, but not even in the ballpark as what we see now. It doesn't matter if it is racism, and I am sure most of it isn't. It doesn't change that it is hate-mongering and fear-mongering the likes of which this nation has probably never seen! I see a lot of it coming from you personally! I mean you judged Obama's speech to the kids and either you never even read it, or did so with such blind hatred that you could not have understood it correctly!

    At least a lot of the hatred for Dubya was more deserved considering the man!
     
  17. MrBishop

    MrBishop Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, many dissenters on Obama's policies aren't concentrating on the actual policies, but circumventing them to push the hot buttons.
    Hence, Birthers and their ilk who are more concerned about Obama's Religion, birthplace, race and socialist leanings than the actual issues.

    Where are the Republican Economists? Why aren't we seeing the numbers on the front pages?

    It's boring and won't get people riled up...so many dissenters push the hot-buttons instead.
     
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  18. Altron

    Altron Well-Known Member

    Yes. Those people are idiots. It's petty and stupid to think that a legitimately elected president is going to be removed from office just because some toolbag on the internet thinks his birth certificate is fake.

    Joe Wilson's concern was that we would end up paying for illegal aliens' healthcare through our tax money, which is a pretty legitimate concern. There has been some dumbass republicans fearmongering *cough*Sarah Palin*cough*, but it is unfair to brand anyone opposed to Obama as a racist. Yes, it was rude and not that well thought out of an idea, but it's a member of congress questioning a proposed law. It's his job to do that. It doesn't mean that he's a racist.


    mark, me hating that speech wasn't hatemongering. Obama outlined, in extreme detail, his evil plans to rule the world. every night he flies around in the ghost of United Airlines Flight 93 with his henchman Dick Cheney, plotting to destroy the economy and sell all the white people to China to be used as slaves. Afterwards, he kidnaps babies and drinks their blood. How thick do I need to lay this shit on before you understand what I was talking about in that thread?! Seriously. Ask spike. He understood right away.
     
  19. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    OK, got it....

    But both you and Joe Wilson either don't know or don't care to talk about the fact that we already pay for illegals medical needs! It's just another in vogue hot button issue to rouse the masses without having to actually use facts....
     
  20. spike

    spike New Member

    Oh you mean kinda like branding people as "terrorist sympathizers" or "America haters" in an attempt to discredit them.

    "Hey, we can throw labels at you but don't you dare throw them at us even when the guys has a questionably racist background"

    "But yeah, we'll throw around labels like anti-christ, muslim, kenyan, eugenics, death panels, terrorist, killing grandma....but you guys don't call a questionable racist guy racist!"

    Yeah, as for them.
     
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