If you don't believe in Heaven, do you believe in.....

[Cerise]

HELL.....

Do you believe in the devil personified??????

I'm just askin'.

 

[Gonz]

No, but evil is abundant.

 

[randomJACKASS]

My mind is clearer now.
At last all too well
I can see where we all soon will be.
If you strip away The myth from the man,
You will see where we all soon will be. Jesus!
You've started to believe
The things they say of you.
You really do believe
This talk of God is true.
And all the good you've done
Will soon get swept away.
You've begun to matter more
Than the things you say.

Listen Jesus I don't like what I see.
All I ask is that you listen to me.
And remember, I've been your right hand man all along.
You have set them all on fire.
They think they've found the new Messiah.
And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong.

I remember when this whole thing began.
No talk of God then, we called you a man.
And believe me, my admiration for you hasn't died.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way.
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied.
Nazareth, your famous son should have stayed a great unknown
Like his father carving wood He'd have made good.
Tables, chairs, and oaken chests would have suited Jesus best.
He'd have caused nobody harm; no one alarm.

Listen, Jesus, do you care for your race?
Don't you see we must keep in our place?
We are occupied; have you forgotten how put down we are?

I am frightened by the crowd.
For we are getting much too loud.
And they'll crush us if we go too far.
If they go too far....

Listen, Jesus, to the warning I give.
Please remember that I want us to live.
But it's sad to see our chances weakening with every hour.
All your followers are blind.
Too much heaven on their minds.
It was beautiful, but now it's sour.
Yes it's all gone sour.

Listen, Jesus, to the warning I give.
Please remember that I want us to live.
C'mon, c'mon
He won't listen to me ...
C'mon, c'mon
He won't listen to me ...

 

[randomJACKASS]

So much wisdom totally wasted on some from a little musical!

CROWD

Christ you know I love you.
Did you see I waved?
I believe in you and God
So tell me that I'm saved.
Christ you know I love you.
Did you see I waved?
I believe in you and God
So tell me that I'm saved.
Jesus I am with you.
Touch me, touch me, Jesus.
Jesus I am on your side.
Kiss me, kiss me, Jesus.

SIMON ZEALOTES

Christ, what more do you need to convince you
That you've made it, and you're easily as strong
As the filth from Rome who rape our country,
And who've terrorized our people for so long.

CROWD

Jesus I am with you.
Touch me, touch me, Jesus.
Jesus I am on your side.
Kiss me, kiss me, Jesus.

Christ you know I love you.
Did you see I waved?
I believe in you and God,
So tell me that I'm saved.

Christ you know I love you.
Did you see I waved?
I believe in you and God,
So tell me that I'm saved.

Christ you know I love you.
Did you see I waved?
I believe in you and God,
So tell me that I'm saved.

Christ you know I love you.
Did you see I waved?
I believe in you and God,
So tell me that I'm saved.

Jesus I am with you.
Touch me, touch me, Jesus.
Jesus I am on your side.
Kiss me, kiss me, Jesus.

SIMON ZEALOTES

There must be over fifty thousand
Screaming love and more for you.
And everyone of fifty thousand
Would do whatever you asked them to.
Keep them yelling their devotion,
But add a touch of hate at Rome.
You will rise to a greater power.
We will win ourselves a home.
You'll get the power and the glory
For ever and ever and ever
You'll get the power and the glory
For ever and ever and ever
You'll get the power and the glory
For ever and ever and ever
You'll get the power and the glory
For ever and ever and ever
Forever Amen! Amen! Amen!

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn3aVdBpr6o&feature=related"]JESUS

Neither you, Simon, nor the fifty thousand,
Nor the Romans, nor the Jews,
Nor Judas, nor the twelve
Nor the priests, nor the scribes,
Nor doomed Jerusalem itself
Understand what power is,
Understand what glory is,
Understand at all,
Understand at all.
If you knew all that I knew, my poor Jerusalem,
You'd see the truth, but you close your eyes.
But you close your eyes.
While you live, your troubles are many, poor Jerusalem.
To conquer death, you only have to die.
You only have to die.[/URL]

 

[catocom]

I beleive in both.
I have faith in God.
I am saved through Jesus.

 

[spike]

I like Jesus, he wouldn't like what christianity has become and he would call you out without hesitation.

He'd be saying "why the hell are you killing all those people?" and "how about you give the sick people access to doctors".

Jesus was good guy and christians kinda hate his message.

 

[randomJACKASS]

I beleive in both.
I have faith in God.
I am saved through Jesus.

I have no argument with that, and if that is what you take from my quoting these songs you miss the point! Don't you see what I am actually saying if you think about it cato?

We, who have traveled this dubious path, beg you to lay aside prejudice, even against organized religion. We have learned that whatever the human frailties of various faiths may be, those faiths have given purpose and direction to millions. People of faith have a logical idea of what life is all about. Actually, we used to have no reasonable conception whatever. We used to amuse ourselves by cynically dissecting spiritual beliefs and practices when we might have observed that many spiritually-minded persons of all races, colors, and creeds were demonstrating a degree of stability, happiness and usefulness which we should have sought ourselves.

So that's where I am coming from. I am only against "christians" that think they have god-in-a-box! Those who presume to know all about everything and who forget, or who never understood Jesus at all! You know who they are cato. You know better, don't forget!

Real Christians are about love tolerance and forgiveness. They are about redemption, and they know faith without works is dead! It is not as simple as Jesus saves. If you do nothing to stop "sinning" what have you saved? I've know scores of "christians" who go to church on Sunday but spend the rest of the week living it up in whatever twisted way they feel like. I even knew personally, and I shit you not, two "evangelists" who were homosexual practicing child molesters, but in their view Jesus made it OK since they believed? What kind of world would that be?

 

[catocom]

mark, my response was to the thread title only.

 

[randomJACKASS]

mark, my response was to the thread title only.

I should have realized. Still it is better that I explained my position anyway.

 

[MrBishop]

None of the above

 

[catocom]

I should have realized. Still it is better that I explained my position anyway.

no problem
I also believe we are all given different tasks if life, and for some,
it's not for some others To understand.

people communicate in different ways.

 

[Cerise]

No, but evil is abundant.

Phillip and Nancy Garrido and the killer of Annie Le are recent standouts.

 

[Gonz]

I like Jesus, he wouldn't like what christianity has become and he would call you out without hesitation.

He'd be saying "why the hell are you killing all those people?" and "how about you give the sick people access to doctors".

Jesus was good guy and christians kinda hate his message.

Nice move. Pulling politics into a religion thread.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I like Jesus, he wouldn't like what christianity has become and he would call you out without hesitation.

He'd be saying "why the hell are you killing all those people?" and "how about you give the sick people access to doctors".

Jesus was good guy and christians kinda hate his message.

Jesus would not say "why the hell are you killing all those people" ...I've never killed anyone.

...I like how you can channel Jesus. How many years of semen have you taken?

 

[randomJACKASS]

Nice move. Pulling politics into a religion thread.

Because of course religion is never political!

Wow you guys have been particularly ridiculous of late and quite easy to shoot down!

 

[catocom]

yeah, politics IS why Jesus was crucified.

I have seen people from opposite ends of the political spectrum
pulled together through a message, but there is usually some division
somewhere down the line, because like I said, to different people
different things are given, and so it is with preachers.

Believers still have to live with non-believers, and thus the states.

Tolerance, individualism, and States.
That's the ticket.

 

[spike]

Jesus would not say "why the hell are you killing all those people" ...I've never killed anyone.

You can get people killed without having to personally kill them yourself.

 

[catocom]

to everything there is a season...

there's nothing new under the sun.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

You can get people killed without having to personally kill them yourself.

Really? How can I do this exactly?

I'd like to have Osama bin Laden killed.

 

[randomJACKASS]

yeah, politics IS why Jesus was crucified.

I have seen people from opposite ends of the political spectrum
pulled together through a message, but there is usually some division
somewhere down the line, because like I said, to different people
different things are given, and so it is with preachers.

Believers still have to live with non-believers, and thus the states.

Tolerance, individualism, and States.
That's the ticket.

I just think it's hilarious how much idiotic support of religion we get from so called atheist Gonz. He is generally a wealth of dumbass commentary, and this is no exception. Nothing personal you know. Attacking the posts, as I am sure he is capable of better, he just does not seem to be willing.