On Religion....(new thought)

[chcr]

what? you mean theres more to opera then what i learned on bugs bunny?

Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit...

 

[AnomalousEntity]

I never graduated to the opera class.

Im still looking for that dammed Space Mod-u-la-tor.

 

[paul_valaru]

I'm still rooting for the damn coyote

 

[MrBishop]

Much as I like Star Trek, I'd have to agree with A13 on this one. Yes...the writers tried to set up a eutopia (the future is always brighter) where everyone gets along and technology does everything for you, and moeny isn't a drivng issue etc... push-button medicine and all that crap.

Although they have touched quite a few people with this show, if their goal was to provide moral direction, then they would've picked a better vehicle than 'the idiot box', or a better show than Trek.

West Wing comes to mind as a good show to bring out social commentary on (if you like fiction) or 20/20 (if you prefer non-fiction)

 

[AnomalousEntity]

Yea, Ive seen some pretty good stuff on West Wing.

Some of WW is very specific current type stuff.

I like the more "Over all/ global type commentary" on ST though

(Ie. not the Big picture...but the REALLY REALLY BIG ASS picture).

 

[MrBishop]

Yea, Ive seen some pretty good stuff on West Wing.

Some of WW is very specific current type stuff.

I like the more "Over all/ global type commentary" on ST though

(Ie. not the Big picture...but the REALLY REALLY BIG ASS picture).

Hindsight is always 20/20. WIth ST, they get to go into the future and comment on the failings of the past.

Am I the only one who thought that Star Trek world was communist? No money, no ownership of private property, state-sponcered housing/food/entertainment? Work for it's own reward?

 

[AnomalousEntity]

Hindsight is always 20/20. WIth ST, they get to go into the future and comment on the failings of the past.

Am I the only one who thought that Star Trek world was communist? No money, no ownership of private property, state-sponcered housing/food/entertainment? Work for it's own reward?

No no I got that too. But in a utopian society...I dont have a problem with communism. (Is that crazy????)

Anyway, your right about Hindsight.

But I dont mind thinking of things in Hindsight.


There were also many episodes that dealth with current events also.

 

[MrBishop]

No no I got that too. But in a utopian society...I dont have a problem with communism. (Is that crazy????)

Anyway, your right about Hindsight.

But I dont mind thinking of things in Hindsight.


There were also many episodes that dealth with current events also.

I have my own personal term for that one.

"Armchair-politics" - similar to armchair-quarterback.

Nothing crazy with Communism except when you take it off the theory-board and try and apply it to real life. That's why I like Socialism.

 

[AlladinSane]

The point is entirely valid. What good is writing a thesis that will change the world if you leave it under your pillow and never show it to anyone? Star Trek is not the 18:00 news - I doubt that even 1% of the country regularly watches Star Trek. If your heroes wanted to convey a message, over and above their interest in the show, they should have chosen a format/content with a little broader viewer base.
Otherwise they're just bending to the TV Network's needs to have "topical" issues in their shows to attract viewers.

So in your logic if I have a good idea with an interesting political view I want to share, to put in a movie, I better not make it I'm unable to do it in the Hollywood industry? Because if I do it in the independant circuit it won't be seen by a substancial number of people?

 

[AnomalousEntity]

Better yet, if a person has anything profound to say why the hell do it at all unless you can reach a very high portion of the population???

Its just a waste of time I guess.

According to that logic, nothing ever said here on OTC has any real value because it doesnt reach many people.

Hmmm I think a13 just argued himself out of his own comments being of any value...

Most people dont see them or even know who he is...therefore he is a (what was the word he used?) "Retard" if this is the best way he has to share.

 

[AnomalousEntity]

double post

 

[Squiggy]

AE...And I'm being serious here...Do you always have to resort to your name calling and defamation when trying to have a discussion. I know it goes both ways at times but you seem to lean on it rather heavily. And before you come back with "I didn't actually call him a ....." It doesn't matter if you carefully veil, or cleverly word them...You should try not to.

Theres a big difference between saying something about the subject of the discussion and saying something about someone participating in the discussion.

No..Not trying to start a fight. Trying to avoid the malaise that the name calling creates.

 

[AnomalousEntity]

You need to scroll up and read A13s post. I was simply using his rationale and his words in making a point.

If you cant distinguish that from a direct attack Im sorry.

 

[AnomalousEntity]

Whether they proclaim themselves great philosophers or not, your heroes Gene & Rick are still retards if a barely-watched geek-show is the best way they can find to share their "enlightenment"

So Using his rationale, I turned it back on him in making a point.


Its not an attack its a reversal

HIS WORDS AND LOGIC...not mine.

If the logic is true then it wouldnt hold true ONLY for Gene and Rick.

If it is true then it would apply to everyone right???

How the hell then is that a "personal attack".

IF ANYTHING the only here guilty of an "attack" is A13, I just rebuttled.

 

[Squiggy]

ac13's intent was not to reach the masses. It was to reach the participants in this thread. That was fully accomplished. His point was that, if, as you claim, their intent is to enlighten the world, they chose the wrong format. I'm not just speaking of this thread. Everytime someone disagrees with you you respond by saying "if you think that way then you are [insert implied defect here...]...Thats all.

 

[rrfield]

Star-Trek is science fiction.

Fiction. Not real. Doubleplusunreal.

Doubleplusungood dialog and acting.

rrfield

 

[AnomalousEntity]

ac13's intent was not to reach the masses. It was to reach the participants in this thread. That was fully accomplished. His point was that, if, as you claim, their intent is to enlighten the world, they chose the wrong format. I'm not just speaking of this thread. Everytime someone disagrees with you you respond by saying "if you think that way then you are [insert implied defect here...]...Thats all.

If you ever feel attacked its because you have a habit of misquoting or going to the wrong conclusion.

Please show me where I ever said

you claim, their intent is to enlighten the world

I said things like "I find meaning " and "they use it as a window" and "its a platform" I also said agreed it was art imitating life.

So they use some actual events to make the show better, and they spin it to make you think (which I like).

I never said they were tryig to "enlighten the world" Hell I never even said they "enlightened me". I just said I like to reflect explore see the meaning profund or simple...etc.

Also, A13 never said anything about enlightening the world.

He said "share"

Ok lets look at the defnintion of "share"...well lets skip to the meaning (screw the definition). Both examples (the show and A13s posting) both fit the defnintion of sharing.

Therefore the analogy was fair and accurate.

Does it matter if its a wide audience if you are just "sharing" NO

Is what A13 did here also "sharing". Yes.

My previous point stands.

Please stop twisting everything around and attempting to change meanings. It IRRITATES the shit out of me.

 

[Squiggy]

WTF....That wasn't a "Quote"..It was a reflection of the sum of your posts in this thread...

I have absolutely no complaints with your arguement in and of itself...I actually found it interesting....I was just asking you to attempt to refrain from the personal attacks, regardless of how veiled or plausibly deniable...

 

[AnomalousEntity]

Thats fair.

I think it may then just be your frequent "reflection of the sum of your posts" that I find completely out in left field.

And that is often why I think I get so rude (I admit it!)

I totally dont agree with several of your interpretations on what I had said or the conclusion you come to.

I have to read some of your responses twice to figure out what the hell you are talking about because they didnt really bare much resemblence to my line of thinking (of course often times you do that on purpose).

Its kinda like what happened to day between me and sexy boo at lunch. Sexy boo has a degree in Zoology by the way.

Me (being funnY) So what does Poumba look so much different from Wilbur)?

Sexyboo: Because one is a warthog and one is a pig.

Me feeling embarrassed.

I meant, what is there genetic difference. Where to they differentiate on the family tree (Genus Phylum Family Species Centrotype etc). What are the differences in habits, physiology etc.

At first I thought I was just having a my usual of giving the other person way the hell too much credit that they would be at my level and understand the question.

I have been accused of talking over physicians heads in meetings when I start talking about the PPS (prospective payment system) being designed from DRGs which further break down into MDC which are based on ICD-9 codes except for outpatient which is based on APCs based on the CPT codes...etc.

So I thought, "Ive done it again" and people think Im the stupid one...

Well sometimes that is the case. But I think rather it should be worded like I dont spell out every single thought Im having down to a 4th grade level so that there is no misunderstandings.

Well then I try to explain everything and people complain that Im over explaining....

Some serious failures to communicate for me it seems....

 

[AnomalousEntity]

WTF....That wasn't a "Quote"..It was a reflection of the sum of your posts in this thread...

I have absolutely no complaints with your arguement in and of itself...I actually found it interesting....I was just asking you to attempt to refrain from the personal attacks, regardless of how veiled or plausibly deniable...

Oh and I am trying!

I dont see a problem with Turnabout reversals though.