Pentagon Iraq intelligence report 'very damning'

[BB]

So was the British intel skewed also? They said almost the same things.

oh fuck, everyone knew that ages ago - Blair is the first serving Pm to be intervieed twice by the police - once under caution -
-although on other matters -

but it may not rest that he may get war crimes investigations

At least over here it is clear whole swathes of evidence were skewed or ignored in a deliberate poltical-led viewing of the available evidence, and the weight that was given to each part of that evidence.

 

[2minkey]

At least over here it is clear whole swathes of evidence were skewed or ignored in a deliberate poltical-led viewing of the available evidence, and the weight that was given to each part of that evidence.

yeah unfortunately what's obvious over thar ain't so here.

while you were a kid gettin' taught to ask questions, us yankees were being taught how to salute + go marching, as a conveniently brain-free endeavor.

 

[chcr]

yeah unfortunately what's obvious over thar ain't so here.

I disagree. It's perfectly obvious over here too. Some people just have an emotional investment in the justification of the war (in other words the "I couldn't have been wrong" syndrome) and therefore ignore the evidence.

 

[A.B.Normal]

I disagree. It's perfectly obvious over here too. Some people just have an emotional investment in the justification of the war (in other words the "I couldn't have been wrong" syndrome) and therefore ignore the evidence.

Pssst.. I think 2Minkey was being Sarcasstic while implying the same as you.

 

[Gonz]

25 years of evidence, ignored. Maybe we can re-live 1975. whooppee.

 

[BB]

Bloody good year!

The Rams were english champions!

 

[chcr]

25 years of evidence, ignored. Maybe we can re-live 1975. whooppee.

It was as good a one as 2005. Of course, I was an adult then and remember it quite well.

 

[MrBishop]

Holy Delusions Batman!!

The US invasion plan for Iraq envisaged that only 5,000 US troops would remain in Iraq by December 2006, declassified Central Command documents show.
The material also shows that the US military projected a stable, pro-US and democratic Iraq by that time.

The August 2002 material was obtained by the National Security Archive (NSA). Its officials said the plans were based on delusional assumptions.

The US currently has some 132,000 troops in the violence-torn state.

'Completely unrealistic'

The documents - in the former of PowerPoint slides - were prepared by the now-retired Gen Tommy Franks and other top commanders at the time.


The documents were presented at a briefing in August 2002 - less than a year before the US invasion of Iraq in April 2003.

The commanders predicted that after the fighting was over there would be a two- to three-month "stabilisation" phase, followed by an 18- to 24-month "recovery" stage.

They projected that the US forces would be almost completely "re-deployed" out of Iraq at the end of the "transition" phase - within 45 months of invasion.

"Completely unrealistic assumptions about a post-Saddam Iraq permeate these war plans," NSA executive director Thomas Blanton said in a statement posted on the organisation's website.

"First, they assumed that a provisional government would be in place by 'D-Day', then that the Iraqis would stay in their garrisons and be reliable partners, and finally that the post-hostilities phase would be a matter of mere months'," Mr Blanton said.

"All of these were delusions," he added.

The NSA said it received the documents last month, after making a request in 2004.

The NSA is an independent research institute at George Washington University.

It obtained the papers under the Freedom of Information Act.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6364507.stm

 

[catocom]

imo, the problem is, somewhere along the way, somebody didn't see, or forgot,
what Rudy's been saying.....
Not only is the US at war, the other side is at war. Just because we call it off,
it doesn't make it so.

We are not in complete control.

 

[Cerise]

...nice assumptions. you have no idea if i'm left.

Is it something you are ashamed of?? Say it lib and say it proud.

when something salient arises in your posts, i may reply. until then... try holding your breath.

In light of the fact you claim to have what you believe is a moderate level of knowledge about the middle east I thought you, armed with your moderate level of knowledge about the "REAL" reasons for The POTUS to send troops to Iraq would happily lay waste to the "bull-huckey" reasons. Done with a moderate level of pre-eminence, of course.

 

[chcr]

You know, ever since this whole Iraq fiasco started, this song has kept running through my head.

Cops of the World
By Phil Ochs (circa 1965)

Come, get out of the way, boys
Quick, get out of the way
You'd better watch what you say, boys
Better watch what you say
We've rammed in your harbor and tied to your port
And our pistols are hungry and our tempers are short
So bring your daughters around to the port
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

We pick and choose as please, boys
Pick and choose as please
You'd best get down on your knees, boys
Best get down on your knees
We're hairy and horny and ready to shack
We don't care if you're yellow or black
Just take off your clothes and lie down on your back
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Our boots are needing a shine, boys
Boots are needing a shine
But our Coca-cola is fine, boys
Coca-cola is fine
We've got to protect all our citizens fair
So we'll send a battalion for everyone there
And maybe we'll leave in a couple of years
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Dump the reds in a pile, boys
Dump the reds in a pile
You'd better wipe of that smile, boys
Better wipe off that smile
We'll spit through the streets of the cities we wreck
We'll find you a leader that you can't elect
Those treaties we sighned were a pain in the neck
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Clean the johns with a rag, boys
Clean the johns with a rag
If you like you can use your flag, boys
If you like you can use your flag
We've got too much money we're looking for toys
And guns will be guns and boys will be boys
But we'll gladly pay for all we destroy
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Please stay off of the grass, boys
Please stay off of the grass
Here's a kick in the ass, boys
Here's a kick in the ass
We'll smash down your doors, we don't bother to knock
We've done it before, so why all the shock?
We're the biggest and toughest kids on the block
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

When we butchered your son, boys
When we butchered your son
Have a stick of our gum, boys
Have a stick of our buble-gum
We own half the world, oh say can you see
The name for our profits is democracy
So, like it or not, you will have to be free
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[paul_valaru]

There be muslims there.

.

 

[2minkey]

Is it something you are ashamed of?? Say it lib and say it proud.



In light of the fact you claim to have what you believe is a moderate level of knowledge about the middle east I thought you, armed with your moderate level of knowledge about the "REAL" reasons for The POTUS to send troops to Iraq would happily lay waste to the "bull-huckey" reasons. Done with a moderate level of pre-eminence, of course.

maybe later but first i think i might need to call someone for advice on presenting at a fourth-grade level, as i've only taught grad school...

 

[Cerise]

Another arrogant liberal brainwasher?? Gee, whodathunkit?

Funny how they always have to insinuate what a brainiac they are.

I'll bet you say "Don't you know who I am?" alot, too.

 

[2minkey]

Another arrogant liberal brainwasher?? Gee, whodathunkit?

Funny how they always have to insinuate what a brainiac they are.

I'll bet you say "Don't you know who I am?" alot, too.

Another blowhard self-appointed conservative know-nothing? Gee, whodabelievedit?

Funny how they always rely on kneejerk bullshit and then wonder why people lose patience with them!

I'll bet the other kids ask "can't he think for himself?" alot, too.

LOL. yeah man, it's usually better if people don't know who i am.