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unclehobart

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Kissing Gonzos ass? Hardly. I've never met the guy, had roughly 5 PMs with him in 6 years, and know precious little about him. He is a mere acquaintance of mine in the grand scheme of things. We at the admin level are hardly rank and file. We speak our minds freely. We don't defend him because its a 'guy' thing, a 'friend' thing, a 'fear' thing, or some kind of police like thin blue line collectivist protection scheme. You have been hands down condemned by the entire mod structure, half because of what you did, and the other half by how childishly you have conducted yourself since.
 

unclehobart

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Maybe if you clarified the rules a bit it would help?

For example you could make a list of members that are allowed to insult and say "fuck you" and which can't and why. Then post it for everyone to see.

Also maybe why on earth a "fuck you" is considered an in insult in the first place and why it's more serious than the regular personal attacks from other people that are ignored?

It's probably pretty confusing for a newer member to see mods, admins, and other members saying fuck you and making personal attacks and racist or bigoted remarks. They might be liable to think that they can do it too.
We've covered this again and again. A lack of understanding the difference is on you, not us.
 

Error

Banned
It doesn't have a whole lot to do with you now does it, Luis G! I didn't say anything to you.

And like I said, I don't care how long I'm in here... I'm not going to change how I feel because Gonz thinks I should. He actually IS an asshole, and I'm not the only one with this opinion. He wanted to shit all over me, and he did.

Notice how he hasn't said a word in response to me? How when I say... "who would be SERIOUS saying "fuck you thats my word."

Because he has no response... because he wasn't offended... because he KNEW it was a joke... but he's hiding behind the rest of you admin to support him... not because he's right... but because he's Gonz!!!

Stupid. I don't care how long I'm here. I'm doing just dandy.
 

Error

Banned
and in response to you, hobart, I've been condemned by the entire mod structure?

Fantastic news. I'd be ashamed of myself if they liked me.
 

unclehobart

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It is the business of Luis because he is an admin and you are a member undergoing disciplinary scrutiny.

Luis says something against you and you tell him its none of his business. Spike defends you and you appluad his intervention. Can you say self-serving argument? I knew you could.
 

Luis G

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Staff member
It doesn't have a whole lot to do with you now does it, Luis G! I didn't say anything to you.

It does have to do with me because I'm part of the mod team.

And like I said, I don't care how long I'm in here... I'm not going to change how I feel because Gonz thinks I should. He actually IS an asshole, and I'm not the only one with this opinion. He wanted to shit all over me, and he did.

You are entitled to your opinion and by all means keep it, we will never try to change it nor convince you otherwise. We just want civilized discussions on this board. And that means no insults. For all I know, in 6 years Gonz has only once insulted another member and he apologized for it.

Because he has no response... because he wasn't offended... because he KNEW it was a joke... but he's hiding behind the rest of you admin to support him... not because he's right... but because he's Gonz!!!

Because he has better things to do perhaps? We as a mod team supported his decision, your comment was indeed insulting by our standards. Since we don't know you very well (as Tonsky pointed out) we just don't have a way of telling if you're joking or not.

Stupid. I don't care how long I'm here. I'm doing just dandy.

As I said before, that's up to you.
 

woodman19_99

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Spike, it looks like AUP is linked in the upper right corner... between "Quick Links" and "Log Out". That seems pretty easy to me, but i have been here for a little bit so i guess i am used to seeing it...
 

unclehobart

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Thats not what he's asking for. He is tongue and cheek proposing that there is a secret playbook somewhere where all of the petty minuta is that spells out all scenarios for what constitutes x and y in argumentation over the rules. He feels that there are no real rules since we as the police force of the board can make up whatever excuse in the night suits our needs to achieve our ends to terrorize the helpless children of the web while letting our cronies get away with sneaking into your house at night and steal your puppies. Face it, there is always a police/judicial branch that has to call the final shot in any instance of society. The only other alternative is to either have an admin that never posts in order to maintain neutrality or to have no moderation at all... and with no moderation at all this, or any other board, would turn into a text version of The Lord of the Flies within 3 days. Every post would be nothing but screaming, cursing, kiddie porn, and death threats. Noone wants that. We think we are a mentally stable and fair police force for such a board. Of our admin, 1 is left, 1 is right, 1 is light left, and 1 is light right. The rest are rarely here. We think we do a damn fine job. Those who draw fire rarely feel the same way. We let the water boil a little hotter in the RW because it is its very nature to be that way. It is impossible to control and stamp out all hotheadedness. Error was jumped on because she went sharply over the top in an unprovoked fashion and subsequently puffed up and got in all of our collective admin faces with a serious attitude. We probably would have come to the decision that it really was a joke if it wasn't for the attitude. That cemented it for us that she was pretty serious about it.
 

spike

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Spike, it looks like AUP is linked in the upper right corner... between "Quick Links" and "Log Out".

Hell, that doesn't help.

making unprovoked personal attacks, or behaving in an unacceptable or unreasonable manner may result in restriction of your posting or viewing privileges, including but not limited to, the offending member being sent to the Kiddie Korner

"May result" seems to mean "May result depending on who you are" which still leaves the newcomers confused.
 

SouthernN'Proud

Southern Discomfort
Sorry... but it is your actions that are seemigly cracked at the moment. These antics only serve to prove that the choice to jail you here were indeed correct.

Error, if you calm down and conduct yourself in an adult-er manner, then you'll be let out of here. Otherwise, you're going to find yourself stuck in here and/or banned.

As Leslie said before, if you stop the shit stirring and the whining you'll be out of the KK in no time, it isn't that hard. However, if you keep pushing the buttons, we might as well push some.

You're not helping your cause, but hey, it's up to you.

Thats a full hat trick. The US, Mexico, and Canada collectively ...that's all of NAFTA... think you're being a spaz.

It is the business of Luis because he is an admin and you are a member undergoing disciplinary scrutiny.

Luis says something against you and you tell him its none of his business. Spike defends you and you appluad his intervention. Can you say self-serving argument? I knew you could.

Six blatant hints dropped by three different moderators, and still...

:shrug:

Ain't shit to me either way.
 

spike

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Thats not what he's asking for. He is tongue and cheek proposing that there is a secret playbook somewhere where all of the petty minuta is that spells out all scenarios for what constitutes x and y in argumentation over the rules. He feels that there are no real rules since we as the police force of the board can make up whatever excuse in the night suits our needs to achieve our ends to terrorize the helpless children of the web while letting our cronies get away with sneaking into your house at night and steal your puppies.

Any chance we could have this discussion based on actual comments instead of made up things? Had the same problem in the other thread.

Error was jumped on because she went sharply over the top in an unprovoked fashion

Sorta like Winky does all the time?

Error, since I hadn't followed all the lead up would you mind telling us if you had been insulted, personally attacked, or provoked before you got frustrated?
 

Luis G

<i><b>Problemator</b></i>
Staff member
"May result" seems to mean "May result depending on who you are" which still leaves the newcomers confused.

That's what it seems to you no doubt. I'm sure you remember when error called Gonz an ass and she wasn't KKed.
 

chcr

Too cute for words
We think we do a damn fine job.

I think most of the rest of us agree. I know I probably couldn't (and certainly don't want to) do it. The important thing, as far as I'm concerned, is that the system works. I don't always agree with decisions in either direction. I don't think I have to. Hell, wasn't sure I agreed with this one. Turns out I was wrong.

Just my 2¢
 

unclehobart

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Any chance we could have this discussion based on actual comments instead of made up things? Had the same problem in the other thread.
There is no discussion here. This is a disciplinary action and you have no place sticking your nose into it.
 

tonksy

New Member
Spike, references to Winky aren't gonna help as 2 (or 3 or more) wrongs don't make a right. Just you rest your mind that folks that have crossed the line are being dealt with. You may not know about the events that take place because it is not for public dissemination but they are being addressed.
If you feel that you yourself are being attacked then feel free to report it to whichever of the mods you feel like dealing with but stay out of the way of the process lest you get stepped on....and that is in no way a threat - it's good advice :)
 
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