The Stab a Soldier in the Back Act 2007

Cerise

Well-Known Member
....clearly shows that the US public opposes Bush' course of action in Iraq and wants us out.



When a nationally advertised lib rally can only draw a couple thousand from across the nation it speaks to what Americans really want:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/17/AR2007031701280.html

No surprise---the anti-war group was out-numbered. Here are some nice colorful photos of the counter-protest:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=557608&page=1
 

MrBishop

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Can't leave out the USA Today's swipe at the Bush Administration with their intentional manipulation of this photo of Condi Rice:

condi%20PHOTO%20%20final.jpg


What kind of message was the paper trying to send when they doctored that picture to make her look eeeevilll?

Speaking as a GDesigner and photo-modification/cleaning viewpoint, what looks to have happened is that someone whitened her eyes so that they would print better. They may have gone over the top a bit, and I'm sure that the GD got a slap on the wrist for it, but if he wanted to make her look evil, whitening her eyes wasn't the way to do it.

BTW - it's par for the course to whiten eyes and sharpen them in photos. Not doing so, when it goes to print, makes people look tired, ill or like they're on drugs.

**My Mod attached - though it's much easier when you're working with 72dpi instead of the 180-300dpi for full-colour printing.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
THat would be an acceptable excuse for a local rag. Not so for the largest national (and color) newspaper.
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
I'd imagine that being the biggest doesn't do anything to help stretch their deadlines any. I work for the biggest distributors of X series of products for Canada. I also work solo and currently have 20 projects on my desk (not exaggerating-I counted).

Shit slips by sometimes. I'm pretty sure that the posted a correction/appology the next day..or as soon as it was noticed.

If the 'look' was done intentionally and it slipped past the editors (intentionally)...I'd expect that someone got fired for it. I can't find anything about the after-effects online though.
 

MrBishop

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The photo of Condoleezza Rice that originally accompanied this story was altered in a manner that did not meet USA TODAY's editorial standards. The photo has been replaced by a properly adjusted copy. Photos published online are routinely cropped for size and adjusted for brightness and sharpness to optimize their appearance. In this case, after sharpening the photo for clarity, the editor brightened a portion of Rice's face, giving her eyes an unnatural appearance. This resulted in a distortion of the original not in keeping with our editorial standards.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-19-rice-congress_x.htm


I’d like to explain how that happened. USATODAY.com, like other news organizations, often adjusts photos for sharpness and brightness to optimize their appearance when published online. In this case, a USATODAY.com editor sharpened the photo and then brightened a portion of Rice’s face. Those changes had the effect of distorting the photo and failed to meet our editorial standards for accuracy and integrity. The photo has been replaced with a properly adjusted copy and an editor’s note has been published here: http://www.usatoday.com/news/was…- congress_x.htm. The photo did not appear in the USA TODAY newspaper.
The editors of USATODAY.com will make every effort to ensure that something like this doesn’t happen again.

Kinsey Wilson
VP/Editor-in-Chief
USATODAY.com

**
OK, let’s give credit where credit is due. Notified of a problem with their on-line presence, the Editor in Chief 1) fixed the problem and 2) noted that he had fixed the problem rather than just change it without comment like nothing had happened. :beardbng:
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Corrections, unless on the same page (or better) & in the same type (or better) are useless.

When the headline reads:

MR BISHOP LIED TO GRAND JURY

on Tuesdays front page.

Thursdays retraction is on page 16 and says,

Opps, we errred. Mr Bishop did not lie to the grand jury. Out typesetter inadvertently forgot to add "not" to the setting & the editor failed to notice.

Which has the larger affect?
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Posted 10/19/2005 7:44 AM Updated 10/26/2005 3:33 PM
Took'em a while, eh

Though..it was edited on the same page and the editorial statement appears above the article, in italics to draw attention.

:shrug:

Still...no reason to demonize a whole newspaper for one image.

*Pardon the pun :D
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Just for fun...

MOST Iraqis believe life is better for them now than it was under Saddam Hussein, according to a British opinion poll published today.

The survey of more than 5,000 Iraqis found the majority optimistic despite their suffering in sectarian violence since the American-led invasion four years ago this week.

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.

Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month.

UK Timesonline
 

Cerise

Well-Known Member
MrBishop said:
BTW - it's par for the course to whiten eyes and sharpen them in photos. Not doing so, when it goes to print, makes people look tired, ill or like they're on drugs.


I found this interesting split-screen pic

condisplit.jpg


I know little to nothing about Photoshop but if the editor of the paper believes that "the photo was adjusted for sharpness and brightness" then why is it her skin tone remains consistant and it's her eyes only that have been 'adjusted'--painted a solid bright white and her pupils narrowed to resemble a cat's eye? The picture was in the hands of an over-zealous highschool grad intern?

And why did it get the approval of the person who did the layout?
 

Cerise

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....and clearly shows that the US public opposes Bush' course of action in Iraq and wants us out.


Fitting how the cut-n-run bunch chose YELLOW as their color of choice for their moronic signs.


You really believe these anti-war people are the salvation of this country?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T5wV4mZrWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fdtYfbXHGA&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRwhkuaDfJI&mode=related&search=

In case you've forgotten how the song goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVGip5L5HE&mode=related&search=
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
I found this interesting split-screen pic

condisplit.jpg


I know little to nothing about Photoshop but if the editor of the paper believes that "the photo was adjusted for sharpness and brightness" then why is it her skin tone remains consistant and it's her eyes only that have been 'adjusted'--painted a solid bright white and her pupils narrowed to resemble a cat's eye? The picture was in the hands of an over-zealous highschool grad intern?

And why did it get the approval of the person who did the layout?

I mentioned something for the first part, but here we go again. Eyes get a special treatment first..whitening, much like teeth get whitened sometimes. If they aren't whitened, once the photo gets reduced in size for digital editions, they look far worst than before.

Files get 'resampled' - or have their contrast redone either manually or automatically. If it's a lot of pictures, a macro will do all the work with the occasional look by the GD. In the case of a web-site like this one, I'm assuming that they don't have someone doing all the pictures one by one, but trust it to a macro.
*Remember - we're not talking about the printed edition - only the web-edition.

Most times, the effect is fine..sometimes it isn't. Images then get uploaded to a database. The web-site fetches the text, images, ads, links etc...from the database and puts together, or lays out the page. There is no 'person who did the layout' - it's automated.

So, of course, it's automatically approved.

As for the result - for all I know, someone did retouch the automatically-modified photo. Maybe she looked too pale and someone went in and just modded the eyes and uploaded it. :shrug:

If the whole photo had been lightened, the web-site would probably have been attacked for trying to turn Ms. Rice into a white woman :shrug:

I think that the resulting image was unfortunate...but it was caught, fixed and owned up to.
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Fitting how the cut-n-run bunch chose YELLOW as their color of choice for their moronic signs.


You really believe these anti-war people are the salvation of this country?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T5wV4mZrWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fdtYfbXHGA&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRwhkuaDfJI&mode=related&search=

In case you've forgotten how the song goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVGip5L5HE&mode=related&search=

In your first one - she's not flipping off the troops. Arguing with the one's telling her to 'fuck off' and screaming 'fuck you, bitch!' *turn up the volume, eh
 

spike

New Member
When a nationally advertised lib rally can only draw a couple thousand from across the nation it speaks to what Americans really want:

No surprise---the anti-war group was out-numbered. Here are some nice colorful photos of the counter-protest:

Since at pretty much all rallies except a couple the anti-war peeps vastly outnumber the war lovers you're kind of grasping at straws here.

Not too mention I'm not sure the few thousand people from either side that show up at one rally can be used to determine what most of America really wants.

Those last elections were a pretty good clue though.
 

Cerise

Well-Known Member
Since at pretty much all rallies except a couple the anti-war peeps vastly outnumber the war lovers you're kind of grasping at straws here.


A YELLOW peep:

peepsegg200.jpg


(Must be a liberal)


Don't you think the increase in pro-America attendees at these rallies is in relation to how fed up Americans are with the recently elected Democrats' attempts at undermining the President, the Military and the Country?
 

spike

New Member
The pro-America attendees are the ones against the war. They had a good turnout most of the time and probably are averaging larger turnouts lately.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1174274726180590.xml&coll=7

The recently elected democrats were put there because the driving issue was the republican mishandling of Iraq as well as there undermining of the military and the country.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-11/2006-11-01-voa42.cfm

Those elections, corroborating polls from 7 different sources, and the president's approval rating paint a pretty clear picture on where the public stands.
 

Cerise

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Those elections, corroborating polls from 7 different sources, and the president's approval rating paint a pretty clear picture on where the public stands.

Keep on dreaming. This Gallup Poll shows where the public stands:

According to Gallup's monthly update on job approval of Congress -- in a March 11-14, 2007, national poll -- 28% of Americans approve of the job being done by Congress and 64% disapprove.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26914

Looks like the public is having some buyer's remorse.


Meanwhile, over at Rasmussen http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm


Forty-one (41%) of Americans approve of the way that George W. Bush is performing his role as President.

So I'm guessing the LMSM headlines tonight will scream "President Bush's Approval Ratings 13 Points Higher Than Democrat-Controlled Congress"
 
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