Officer kills man who beat child to death

[paul_valaru]

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TURLOCK, Calif. (AP) — A 27-year-old man was fatally shot by police as he kicked, punched and stomped a young toddler to death in front of horrified motorists who tried to stop the attack on a dark country road, authorities said.

Sometimes I think my stance on gun control might be wrong, if just one of the bystanders had had a gun....

 

[chcr]

Read this on another site. If someone would have shot him, they would be in trouble. Not that it would have stopped me, you understand...

 

[tonksy]

So how hard were folks trying to stop the attack if he was still able to finish the poor baby off?

 

[chcr]

I suspect it was already dead but I wondered the same thing. If it had been me I believe he would have stopped one way or another.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

I think my stance on gun control might be wrong.

So do I.

Saves the expense of a trial, appeal, lengthy incarceration, and eventually some antifreeze or whatever they shoot in their veins to kill him. One day too late maybe, but fait accompli nonetheless.

Hell ain't hot enough for people like this.

 

[2minkey]

Read this on another site. If someone would have shot him, they would be in trouble. Not that it would have stopped me, you understand...

they would have had their gun taken away temporarily but it's doubtful that any charge would end up being brought.

"trying to prevent a baby from being beaten to death" is a pretty good reason to shoot someone.

 

[Inkara1]

The first people to stop were elderly. Without knowing the ages of the others and knowing the the guy doing the beating was 27 years old, and without knowing the builds of everyone involved, I'd venture to guess an old man would be no match for a 27-year-old in the prime of his life physically.

 

[H2O boy]

is California a no carry state? A 27 year old beating up on a baby is no macth for a 70 year old with a 38 in his belt.

If it wasnt' for guns California would still be a part of Mexico. I think parts of it may stil be. Theres' no doubt thogh this guy was a menece and got what he deserved

 

[2minkey]

california is generally a no-carry state.

 

[Gonz]

Unless you are a cop or a celeb, Cali is almost as bad as NYC about guns.

 

[jimpeel]

Unless you are a cop or a celeb, Cali is almost as bad as NYC about guns.

Kali is a "may issue" state. Some counties are more firearm friendly than others.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/county-faq/

According to CA DOJ, Stanislaus Sheriff's Office issued 456 2-year CCW licenses in 2005.

Turlock PD issued 17 CCWs.

Kern SO 2997
Tulare SO 2470
Fresno SO 2251
Shasta SO 2235
San Bernardino SO 2036
Butte SO 1632
San Diego So 1289
Mendocino SO 1257
El Dorado SO 1183
Madera SO 1029
Humboldt SO 1014
Placer SO 1010
Orange SO 973
Tuolumne SO 793
Amador SO 728
Tehama SO 692
Ventura SO 646
Sutter SO 592
Merced SO 588
Calaveras SO 510 (I went to school in Calaveras County)
Bakersfield PD 486
Stanislaus SO 456

The most unfriendly are:

Sausalito PD 1
Adelanto PD 1
Alameda PD 1
Alhambra PD 1
Anaheim PD 1
Arroyo Grande PD 1
Bell PD 1
Bishop PD 1
Claremont PD 1
Concord PD 1
Costa Mesa PD 1
Daly City PD 1
Dinuba PD 1
Downey PD 1
El Cerrito PD 1
Exeter PD 1
Folsom PD 1
Fortuna PD 1
Gilroy PD 1
Glendale PD 1
Gonzales PD 1
Greenfield PD 1
Guadalupe PD 1
Gustine PD 1
Hawthorne PD 1
Healdsburg PD 1
Hermosa Beach PD 1
Huntington Park PD 1
La Verne PD 1
Laguna Beach PD 1
Lindsay PD 1
Long Beach PD 1
Los Gatos PD 1
Milpitas PD 1
MOnrovia PD 1
Novato PD 1
Orland PD 1
Oxnard PD 1
Petaluma PD 1
Pismo Beach PD 1
Rialto PD 1
Rohnert PD 1
Saint Helena PD 1
Salinas PD 1
San Leandro PD 1
San Marino PD 1
Santa Ana PD 1
Santa Clara PD 1
Santa Paula PD 1
Scott Valley PD 1
Selma PD 1
So San Berdo Big Bear 1
Tiburon PD 1
Visalia PD 1
Waterford PD 1
Whittier PD 1

 

[Inkara1]

I should note that some of the "unfriendly" police departments are very small and likely didn't get a whole lot more than the one application. Arroyo Grande is one such town... the "Five Cities" area probably has 35,000 or 40,000 people, but AG itself is only about 16,000. Pismo Beach (right next to AG) is about half that size, and the city is kept alive by the transient occupancy tax. Tourists aren't likely to be seeking CCW permits in Pismo. Dinuba, Exeter and Lindsay are tiny towns and people likely to want CCW permits in those areas likely are within Fresno/Tulare county jurisdiction in any case. Gonzalez and Greenfield are a pair of tiny cities (under 10,000 each) and, similar to Dinuba and Exeter, most CCWs in those areas would likely be issued by the Monterey County Sheriff's Department. Selma's in the 20,000s, and I would guess that, much like Visalia (~100,000 population), many of the guns there would be illegally owned by the Sureño Bulldogs anyway.

I can't speak for Anaheim or Long Beach, though.

 

[Gonz]

Brady likes California.

Inky, I was mostly commenting on the population centers. Nobody carea about gun racks in Needles but look at the fake fur fly in Westwood.

My other two homes from Brady
AZ
IN
Those two scored much better.

 

[Inkara1]

I was more commenting on jim's assertion that police departments that only issued one permit are "gun unfriendly." Some may be, but it's unfair to assume a police department for a city of 6,000 will get as many applications as a city of 350,000.

 

[Kruz]

I'm glad I didnt have to witness that poor child's death.

(and I believe the law would have been on my side for putting a couple hollow points in his head.) at least in GA.

Deadly Force
There are 3 code sections that govern when lethal or deadly force may lawfully be used.

Defense from a forcible felony;
A person is justified in using force which may harm or kill only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. You are not justified if you were the aggressor or you are/were/on-the-way-to committing a felony. (The state has pre-empted local cities and counties from further restricting this defense.)(16-3-21)

Defense of habitation;

(here habitation means dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business) A person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:

A person is breaking\has broken into your home in a violent and tumultuous manner, and you think that the intruder is going to assault you or someone else living there.
A person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters the residence and you know it is an unlawful entry.
The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.
(16-3-23)

Defense of property other than habitation; Lethal force cannot be used to protect personal property unless the person using such force reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.(16-3-24)

(Stand Your Ground/Shoot First/License To Murder - went into effect July 1st, 2006) If you have determined you need to use lethal force (as stated in one of the underlined "Defense" sections immediatly above) you do not have to try to retreat before using that force. If your defense is valid, you are immune from criminal procecution (unless it is illegal to carry that weapon where you used it) and civil liability actions.(16-3-23.1, 16-3-24.2, 51-11-9)

 

[Kruz]

So how hard were folks trying to stop the attack if he was still able to finish the poor baby off?

This is sad but true... (quoted from someone on another board I'm on)

I fear most in our society have been so conditioned to "wait for help" that they don't know what to do anymore. Those who tried to stop him must not have coordinated their efforts; if they had, I find it hard to believe that he would have withstood a gang tackle. I suppose they were so stunned by what they saw that they were unable to think clearly and act decisively. That too is perhaps a sad commentary upon society.

 

[jimpeel]

I was more commenting on jim's assertion that police departments that only issued one permit are "gun unfriendly." Some may be, but it's unfair to assume a police department for a city of 6,000 will get as many applications as a city of 350,000.

A fair assessment.

 

[jimpeel]

I would have run the bastard over. My truck sits high enough that it would pass over the child without harming him.

 

[2minkey]

This is sad but true... (quoted from someone on another board I'm on)

we can't all be steely men of action. especially in depends and dentures.

 

[Gato_Solo]

we can't all be steely men of action. especially in depends and dentures.

I kinda lean towards the 'conditioning' argument. We, as a society, have been, and are being, conditioned towards certain responses to certain stimuli...ie "Violence is wrong regardless of circumstances" and "when confronted with an 'unsafe' action, give the perpetrator what they want and expect the authorities to straighten out the situation". Good in some ways, but, in this situation, extremely detrimental to the victim.