This idiot is an idiot!

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
One of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives is that Libarals will circle the wagons around creeps like this -- ala Bill Clinton -- while Conservatives will demand he gets thrown out of office.

Fire his ass!

Fire his ass!

Fire his ass!

Fire his ass!


Out of a cannon preferably.

He claims he was out hiking and this was the god's honest truth. What he failed to mention was that the hiking he was doing was hiking his girlfriend's skirt up around her waist.

SOURCE

SC Gov. Mark Sanford will find tough trail at home

Jun 25, 6:24 AM (ET)

By JIM DAVENPORT

(AP) South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford wipes his tears as he admitted to having an affair during a news...
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COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - South Carolina's governor once cited "moral legitimacy" when he was a congressman voting for President Bill Clinton's impeachment. He became a darling of fiscal conservatives over his ideological opposition to federal stimulus cash.

Now Mark Sanford has taken a swan dive from the moral high ground.

By admitting to an extramarital affair with a woman in Argentina on Wednesday, the Republican governor makes the already-difficult end of his term-limited administration nearly untenable.

He has alienated leaders of his GOP-dominated state Legislature for years, but said recently he was finding comfort outside the Statehouse as a champion for smaller government and lower taxes.

(AP) South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford tearfully admitted to having an affair during a news conference...
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He was raising his national political profile with his outspoken fight against using federal cash for anything but paying down debt. As chairman of the Republican Governors Association, he was raising money for candidates and deflecting talk he was planning to run for president in 2012.

The speed of his collapse was shocking.

About three weeks ago, he lost a court battle to reject the federal stimulus money. A few days later, his wife, Jenny Sanford, kicked him out of their home to begin a "trial separation" with hopes of reconciling.

Then on Monday, lawmakers and reporters started questioning where the governor had been for five days. His aides said the outdoorsman was hiking the Appalachian Trail to wind down from a grueling legislative session.

But on Wednesday the governor held a rambling, tearful news conference in which he finally revealed the truth: "I've been unfaithful to my wife." His family did not attend.

(AP) South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford tearfully admitted to having an affair during a news conference in...
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The 49-year-old ruminated on God's law, moral absolutes and following one's heart. He said he spent the last five days "crying in Argentina."

Sanford described the woman who lives in Argentina as a "dear, dear friend" whom he has known for about eight years and been romantically involved with for about a year. He said he has seen her three times since the affair began, and his wife found out about it five months ago.

Sanford denied instructing his staff to cover up his affair, but acknowledged that he told them he thought he would be hiking on the Appalachian Trail and never corrected that impression after leaving for South America.

"I let them down by creating a fiction with regard to where I was going," Sanford said. "I said that was the original possibility. Again, this is my fault in ... shrouding this larger trip."

The State newspaper in Columbia published steamy e-mails between Sanford and the woman. Sanford did not identify her, nor did he answer directly whether the relationship with the Argentinian woman was over.

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"What I did was wrong. Period," he said.

Now the people of South Carolina and national GOP leaders are picking up the pieces.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour took over leadership of the Republican Governors Association after Stanford resigned from the post. In little more than an hour after his announcement, other Republicans were backing away from him: the Value Voters Summit dropped him from the lineup for its September roundup of GOP notables.

At least one South Carolina legislator wants Sanford to resign without serving the remaining 18 months of his term, which the governor said he has "no plans" to do.

Political experts expect little from his last 18 months in office, and certainly not with the Legislature he's fought with for years. A lame duck session looms for Sanford, even after a session in which he lost his battle over accepting federal stimulus money.

"Truth be told, over the past few years, he has soured his relationship with the Legislature so much that he hasn't been particularly effective at getting an agenda through," said Scott Huffmon, political scientist at Winthrop University. "And with the stimulus fight, pushing it all the way to the state Supreme Court, that affirmed the governor's subordinate position in this state."

Danielle Vinson, a Furman University political scientist, said after "something like this, it's going to require a lot of humility on his part in dealing with legislators."

For now, Sanford's looking at the basics.

"Over the time that I have left in office, I'm going to devote my energy to building back the trust the people of this state have placed in me," Sanford said.

It will be a tall task. While some South Carolinians said they appreciated Sanford's eventual candor in admitting to his affair, the tawdry news surprised many.

"I was shocked, shocked," said Tom Daly, 42, a magazine editor in Charleston. "First of all he's a Republican golden boy and he's a strict, staunch conservative. I'm so shocked. It was something I did not expect."

Ellen Brady, a computer network specialist from Charleston, wondered why it had to happen in her state.

"We're all mortified, absolutely mortified," she said. "It's splashed all over the news."

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Associated Press Writers Meg Kinnard and Susanne M. Schafer in Columbia and Bruce Smith in Charleston contributed to this report.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
He was a top 3 contender to lead the world....now he's a dried up has-been. I hope they're in love....

Step down Gov Sanford
 
You know Jim it just goes to show the right's (religious right) hypocrisy (and for once, just because of his atheism Gonz is not a part of it). You guys preach Christianity, which is supposed to hold that we all are sinners and call for repentance and redemption. That's just what this man did! And worse still to you guys an affair is a worse sin than lying to the American people about major decisions like going to war? That is his personal business and while its hypocritical, does it effect how he has governed? Is it not admirable that he admitted it and wants to make good? I don't know any man who is completely above temptation in this area. Some of us do better than others, but one has to wonder if for some reason some woman of supermodel quality throws herself at you can you resist temptation?

There are some of you guys who are just no damn good. Jimmy Swaggart is an example. Not only has he been caught with prostitutes on many occasions but he has even taking to telling folks its nobody's business! He is in the business of morality yet he feels he is above his own God's laws and I know buttloads of right wingers who are still behind him. This governor may have done wrong but not anything like old Jimmy boy.

And besides what ever happened to; "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"?

Neither side is above circling the wagons when they have a scandal involving someone important enough and you know it. To me the difference is that, (mostly due to the "religious right" which is seldom either) the rights priorities are screwy. Major corruption in government matters less than a personal mistake that is hardly relevant to a mans record as a leader.
 

Professur

Well-Known Member
Breach of contract? Going AWOL? Did he pay his own airfare and hotel?

Lots of possible reasons. But I agree, firing's not right. Right would be his immediate resignation .... for hypocracy.
 

Inkara1

Well-Known Member
I'm more mad about him disappearing and leaving his staff to tell people he was out hiking so that they would have egg on their faces later. The adultery is ultimately between him and his wife, but most employers would consider your job abandoned if you no-call-no-show for three consecutive days and would hire someone else.
 
I'm more mad about him disappearing and leaving his staff to tell people he was out hiking so that they would have egg on their faces later. The adultery is ultimately between him and his wife, but most employers would consider your job abandoned if you no-call-no-show for three consecutive days and would hire someone else.

This I agree with completely, but I do feel that it is a big point in the guy's favor he came completely clean about it. Perhaps he should resign, but if not I am not sure he should be fired. Perhaps severely censured and warned he is on thin ice, but is it worth getting rid of him and basically throwing the state into more chaos?
 

spike

New Member
One of the differences between Liberals and Conservatives is that Libarals will circle the wagons around creeps like this

Cut out the trolling Jim. There's no shortage of wagon circling going on with conservatives.

If this guy broke the law he should be out.

Other than that he's just another "family values" hypocrite like John Ensign and so many others.
 

JTP

New Member
For anyone who has worked in SoCarolina and paid their state taxes and followed their politics and been harrassed by their woefully underpaid, barely literate cops, just for having an out-of-state license plate, this comes as no surprise. The state itself is beautiful in places, and some of the people, poor as they are, are really cool folks, but their state and local guvmints are a shambles and have been since the dirt was young. Compared to South Cacka lackey, Alabrambles, and Florida; Georgia, for all our faults, comes out looking REAL good in comparison.
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
He used public funds to go to see his mistress and says he will pay those funds back now that he has been caught. In the absence of getting caught, does anyone here believe those funds would have been paid back?

He took off and abandoned his post and that alone qualifies him for being fired.

NONE of this has to do with Christianity or moral turpitude coming to the fore. It has to do with converting public funds to personal use and dereliction of duty. You Lefties can try to steer the conversation that way but it will do you no good.

FIRE HIS ASS!!!
 

spike

New Member
Your initial outrage was about him "hiking his girlfriend's skirt up around her waist." Not the public funds issue.

So you were the one steering the conversation that way.
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
Your initial outrage was about him "hiking his girlfriend's skirt up around her waist." Not the public funds issue.

So you were the one steering the conversation that way.

He lied about being "hiking" when he was an executive of a state who was out of the country and had lied to his staff about his whereabouts.

He stole money and he abdicated his responsibilities.

Oh, by the way, he also was screwing his mistress on public time on the public dime.
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
Yep, and both him and John Ensign are family values hypocrites.

Ah, yes, the ol' "bring someone else into the discussion" segue that Libs play.

We are not talking about John Ensign.

Fuck John Ensign.

We are talking about Mark Sanford.
 

spike

New Member
Libs and Cons both tend to bring up related material.

John Ensign and Mark Sanford are both family values hypocrites who have recently been caught in affairs.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
John Ensign and Mark Sanford are both family values hypocrites who have recently been caught in affairs.

OK. They are hypocrits. Shoot 'em. hang 'em out to dry. Feed 'em to the fishes. I don't care, they are hypocrits.

That does not mean that all, most, or even a plurality who preach the values, are hypocrits.
 

chcr

Too cute for words
OK. They are hypocrits. Shoot 'em. hang 'em out to dry. Feed 'em to the fishes. I don't care, they are hypocrits.

That does not mean that all, most, or even a plurality who preach the values, are hypocrits.

So called family values are not actually family values in any sense of the phrase. True family values involve how you, personally, treat your family and it's hardly up to anyone else to tell you you have to live according to the way they choose to treat theirs. The "family values" that get preached about were made up from whole cloth and then redefined a dozen times in the latter part of the twentieth century and the first part of the twenty first. It's a meaningless phrase, a marketing tool, a buzz word. And yes Gonz, the majority of people who "preach" family values would abandon these preached about values at the drop of a hat if they saw personal or political advantage in it. You don't think most of them really believe this shit applies to them, do you?
 
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