2004 RNC

[Gonz]

Oh hell, let's kick this off right

Give us your poor, your opressed, your baby killers...

 

[freako104]

ummm yea you knw pro choice does not mean baby killer. it means we are for a choice. either birth or adoption or death(abortion)

 

[Gonz]

No, it means KILL ALL UNBORN HUMANS before they multiply. Well, in the sense of Planned Parenthood that's about what it means.

In real life Pro-Choice means allow the birth to happen unless something incredibly horrific has happened & if I give birth to this child the world will evaporate.

Or something.

 

[freako104]

No it means there is a choice there. but some are pro death I will not deny that. but in real life it is supposed to be that there is a choice.

 

[BeardofPants]

Pro choice is just that. Choice. Pro-abortion OTOH is pro-"baby killing".

 

[chcr]

No, it means KILL ALL UNBORN HUMANS before they multiply. Well, in the sense of Planned Parenthood that's about what it means.

In real life Pro-Choice means allow the birth to happen unless something incredibly horrific has happened & if I give birth to this child the world will evaporate.

Or something.

 

[Gonz]

jesus chcr, you can do better than that.



alright, the practive run began.

The caption mentioned thses people are associated with United for Peace and Justice. Sounds good. I wonder if their next stop is a few blocks south. From there maybe they'll understand & take thier cute little signs to Muslim enclaves that are filled with innocent killing hate mongering unjust religious fanatics & convinve THEM that peace & justice are the number one priority.

Dissention is not patriotic. It's just treasonous. Disagreeing with & acting in a way to change your government through legal channels is politics. Becoming a purveyor of that change is patriotic.

 

[freako104]

so theyre not patriots cause they dont support Bush? They can peacefully assemble Gonz. Or did you forget that little part in the Constitution? And for what you said about Islam well remember Christianity has blood on its hands. and Islam was considered more peaceful for many years. but I guess thats for shit.

 

[chcr]

Dissention is not patriotic. It's just treasonous.

I wonder if the Iraqis felt that way under Saddam. Dissension is democracy. Maybe you've heard of it. You certainly use it when it suits you.

 

[Gonz]

I wonder if the Iraqis felt that way under Saddam. Dissension is democracy. Maybe you've heard of it. You certainly use it when it suits you.

I'm sure they did. They would have been shot. Democracy is rule of the majority, potential anacrchy. Dissension, during a time of war, is aiding & abetting the enemy. Kinda like John Kerry in 1972.

When dissenters decide that they can't change the status quo through legal channels they should opt for a revolution. These people would rather snip away at our rights, little by little. They chose to give the power not to the people but to judges. They take away democratic style rule. They decide that the constitution says abortion is legal, homosexuality is normal & the poor should have everything the rich can give them. However, if one believes in tradition or has a strict value system they are racist homophobic sexists bigots.

Don't those people have jobs?

Eric, hush. I complained that the DNC protesters were put in cages.

 

[freako104]

why is it treason to speak ill of your govt if you dont support their war?

 

[Gonz]

why is it treason to speak ill of your govt if you dont support their war?

"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."

These people are aiding & abetting the enemy. They offer no solutions. They only offer discourse through rhetoric. These are the same people that spat upon soldiers 35 years ago. Who called our military members baby killers. Today they do the same. They just do it under their breath.

These "marches" are not to better mankind. They are a rallying cry with only one slogan "We Hate Bush". Few, if any, actually support Kerry. Fewer still made an effort to nominate one they truly had faith & commonality with. Thses people are, by their actions & their speech, undermining the safety of all New Yorkers. Through their actions & speech they are strengthening the enemies resolve & will to fight, thereby killing American soldiers & other brave men & women of the Coalition forces. They ask not why so many UN constabularies took oil for blood but they ask where the weapons are. They ask not why over a million needed die & millions more are at jeopardy as we speak yet nothing is being done.

The are the enemy's friend more than America's voice of discontent.

 

[Gonz]

Bush --'I'm the guy making history'
Sun Aug 29 2004 10:25:35 ET

INTERVIEW: George W. Bush

ON INTELLIGENCE REFORM: ‘Obviously, all of us that now look at intelligence say, Let’s make sure that the analyst who came up with that information has gotten additional input’

--- ON WAR ON TERROR: ‘I think it is a long-lasting ideological struggle… I’m Not the Historian. I’m The Guy Making History’ ---

ON IRAQ: ‘Had we had to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success—being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day’ ---

ON SADDAM: “Do I pray for him? No, I haven’t.... Maybe I will [pray for Saddam], now that you’ve asked the question."

---

ON WHAT HE’S LEARNED: ‘Washington is a much more bitter, ugly place, dominated by special interests, than I ever envisioned. I was surprised’

New York – When asked about his thinking when it turned out that there were no WMD stockpiles in Iraq, Bush tells TIME, “As you go forward, how do you deal with the threats that face the country? Yes, it’s to make sure that [you have] the ability to analyze information in a way that can look at all sides, to make sure that all opinions end up in the end product [presented] to the decision makers. That’s really what we’re talking about when it comes to intelligence reform.”

Bush agrees that he now finds himself asking a second set of questions on the intelligence that he might not have asked before. “Yes, obviously, all of us that now look at intelligence say, Let’s make sure that the analyst who came up with that information has gotten additional input. We’ve just got to make sure that as we connect the dots, everybody’s voices are heard.”

Bush thinks the war on terrorism, “is a long-lasting ideological struggle” and that “it ought to be called the struggle of a totalitarian point of view that uses terror as a tool to intimidate the free.” He reflects on his role in the war on terrorism, “I’m not the historian. I’m the guy making history.” “I’m a two-month man right now. [Laughter.] I don’t know. We’re dealing in a part of the world where our policy was, O.K., we’ll kind of tolerate the lack of liberty for other reasons and just hope it gets better. And sure enough, it didn’t.”

TIME's exclusive interview with the President at his Prairie Chapel Ranch in Texas with TIME’s John F. Dickerson and Nancy Gibbs is featured in this week's Republican Convention preview issue. The coverline is "The World According to George Bush." The lead story, "Inside the Mind of George Bush," concludes his task is to show "his strength comes from not a six-gun temperament but from judgment that has matured through three years of hard testing.” TIME assesses Bush’s character and presidency “By Bush’s math, you can change your tactics, but you pay a price for changing your principles, and can gain capital by toughing out a fight even if you lose,” Dickerson and Gibbs write.

At a press conference last April, Dickerson asked Bush what he thought was his biggest mistake and the President didn’t have an answer then. Bush responds to the same question in this TIME interview, “When you asked that question, I was convinced you were trying to force me to say it was a mistake to go into Iraq, which I wasn’t going to do. As sure as I’m sitting here, the right decision was to remove Saddam Hussein from power. The tactics going into Iraq were based upon a certain set of assumptions, like refugee flows, hunger, oil destruction. Had we had to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success—being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day. I couldn’t have sat down and said to you, By the way, we’re going to be so victorious so quickly that we’ll end up having to fight another third of the Baathists over the next year in order to bring liberty to the country. There’s an idea that you can chew on. “

“Maybe I will [pray for Saddam], now that you’ve asked the question,” President George W. Bush tells TIME, “Do I pray for him? No, I haven’t.” And on his thoughts on Iraq’s progress toward democracy, Bush tells TIME, “If the United States is willing to lead and never waver in our belief that liberty can change the habits of people, never blink, be kind and compassionate, generous with our money—which we are—but resolute in our belief in liberty, Iraq will end up being a free country. It doesn’t have to look like America, by the way. That’s one of the great myths—that all of a sudden, these countries must look like America. Quite the contrary.”

On what the most important thing is that he’s learned from the past four years, Bush says, “I’ve learned I really enjoy the job. I’ve enjoyed doing it, to the point where I’d like to do it again. I’ve also learned that Washington is a much more bitter, ugly place, dominated by special interests, than I ever envisioned.”

When asked whether there is anything in John Kerry’s Vietnam career that he thinks is relevant to this race, Bush tells TIME, “His service was honorable, as far as I’m concerned. This debate ought to be about who can lead the war on terror. And that’s where I’ll conduct it. I can understand why Senator Kerry is upset with us. I wasn’t so pleased with the ads that were run about me. And my call is get rid of them all, now.”

Developing...

 

[chcr]

Oh, I get it. If it's dissension you agree with, like anti-abortionists, tha's okay (in case you missed it the supreme court ruled on that one thirty years ago, you lost). If you don't agree with it, it's treason.

 

[Gonz]

Never assume...I'm not against abortion. I am against the anti-abortionists that shoot doctors & burn clinics.

I'm not against dissention either. If your local governor has decided he's an adulterer & you want to boot him, fine. If your Mayor has decided she's not lesbiabn after all & you want to boot her, fine. If the Presidents choice for the Federal bench has done something illegal & you have proof, bring it up.

If, on the other hand, you really hate the President solely because he is who he is, while we're at war and the ONLY thing you bring to the table is nothing but whining and your actions & speech act to further entrench the enemy, then yes, it's treason.

 

[IDLEchild]

Pro choice is just that. Choice. Pro-abortion OTOH is pro-"baby killing".

So??

Ahhh the forefathers would be proud. The fact that so many can go to such lengths to express their cause and beliefs with 0 fear of persacution is what so many died for hundreds of years ago. While it may be troublesome for traffic, loud, or just plain annoying this really exemplafies the beauty of the U.S.A.....the most human desire is given its freedom.....truly a reason to be proud despite whatever conflicts the people may have with each other.

 

[freako104]

These people are aiding & abetting the enemy. They offer no solutions. They only offer discourse through rhetoric. These are the same people that spat upon soldiers 35 years ago. Who called our military members baby killers. Today they do the same. They just do it under their breath.

These "marches" are not to better mankind. They are a rallying cry with only one slogan "We Hate Bush". Few, if any, actually support Kerry. Fewer still made an effort to nominate one they truly had faith & commonality with. Thses people are, by their actions & their speech, undermining the safety of all New Yorkers. Through their actions & speech they are strengthening the enemies resolve & will to fight, thereby killing American soldiers & other brave men & women of the Coalition forces. They ask not why so many UN constabularies took oil for blood but they ask where the weapons are. They ask not why over a million needed die & millions more are at jeopardy as we speak yet nothing is being done.

The are the enemy's friend more than America's voice of discontent.

I still dont see it as being treason. Im sorry Gonz. If they protested Kerry if he sent us to war, would you be playing a different tune? Just cause they dont like Bush they cant talk against him?

 

[chcr]

I still dont see it as being treason. Im sorry Gonz. If they protested Kerry if he sent us to war, would you be playing a different tune? Just cause they dont like Bush they cant talk against him?

It's evidently treason because he says it's treason. BTW, Gonz, why all the anti-abortion rhetoric if you're not. Fortunately, I understand how you think. Thank you and have a pleasant tomorrow.

 

[Gonz]

The anti-abortion rhetoric is because calling a spade a spade is my style. Abortion is baby killing. Abortion is & should be legal. It's not as quaint as cutting toenails though Planned Parenthood would like that analogy. I don't like the horseshit that has been created around abortions.

Fortunately, I understand how you think.

You know, I doubt that. You lump me into a category which I don't constantly refute. Much of it is true. Much isn't.

 

[Gonz]

I still dont see it as being treason. If they protested Kerry if he sent us to war, would you be playing a different tune? Just cause they dont like Bush they cant talk against him?

Your head appears to be in the lefts ass. Please remove it. Take the time to read what I wrote. This has nothing to do with Bush. It has nothing to do with Kerry.

My tune would be exactly the same had Kerry, using the information provided him, been the same as Bush received. Unfortunately, he wouldn't have had the foresight to do what Bush did.