2004 RNC

[Professur]

A US citizen can take possession of any foreign, uninhabited island, as long as it contains bird droppings.

Not quite sure of the reasoning for bird crap, but otherwise, the law's sound.

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Persons may be placed in jail for up to five years for shooting a hole in a penny.

sorry pal. Even today, destroying money is a federal offence, punishable by jailtime. Remember when the tooney came out, and people tried punching out the centre?

in Mass.
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An old ordinance declares goatees illegal unless you first pay a special license fee for the privilege of wearing one in public

Can we get some enforcement on this one? Have you seen the retarded crap some idjits are wearing as beards these days? I'd vote for this as a new ordinance.

 

[Gonz]

One topic (as close as we can come at OTC at least)...news from or about the RNC and what they mean.

Signs declaring Bush is a liar or End the Occupation of Iraq & Afghanistan. Crap like that, re-living the Vietnam era. Later, the leaders of N Vietnam admited that those types of protests urged them on. Imagine if they'd have been the norm in 1943. Mindset, on both sides, is key to victory.

 

[chcr]

Imagine if they'd have been the norm in 1943.

You keep comparing it to WWII and I say that badly belittles the accomplishments of those people. There is a huge difference between going to war against a powerful sovereign nation with every chance of grinding you into dust and overthrowing a pissant petty dictator. I don't mean to belittle the accomplishments of the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, but such comparisons are simply ludicrous.

 

[Gonz]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Due to weapons & technology we can never again fight that kind of war. Due to fanaticism the homeland is in more danger than it ever was. Due to treason our most dangerous enemy is much closer to us than they should be. Due to world wide communications & a general lack of understanding warfare, our enemy doesn't need Tokyo Rose. They have Tom Brokaw & MoveOn.org

 

[chcr]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Due to weapons & technology we can never again fight that kind of war. Due to fanaticism the homeland is in more danger than it ever was. Due to treason our most dangerous enemy is much closer to us than they should be. Due to world wide communications & a general lack of understanding warfare, our enemy doesn't need Tokyo Rose. They have Tom Brokaw & MoveOn.org

In case you missed it, you just said yourself it's nothing like WWII.

 

[Gonz]

There has to be a reference point. The only thing close is WW2.

 

[chcr]

I don't think so. If it's all different (and it is) how can there be a reference point? Your trying to oversimplify it. It's still us against them, but point at them.

 

[Gonz]

It's all different only in the hardware. The nation still needs to act as one, the soldiers still need to kill their guys first. Our survival or theirs. Nothing differnet in the end. War is them or us. Nazi or free Europe. Communist or capitalist. Freedom or fanaticism.

An example of fanaticism

 

[freako104]

:rolf3:
fetus is an unborn child.
baby is a born child
abortion is stopping the fetus from being born, thus it's baby killing.

A fetus is organic matter. that much I will agree with. but how is it a baby if it hasnt been born yet?

 

[Gonz]

A fetus, an infant, a toddler, a preschooler, a teenager, an adult, an oldster, a dead person are all organic matter. That is softening of the language meant to make the unseemly more palatable.

 

[Leslie]

It's all different only in the hardware. The nation still needs to act as one, the soldiers still need to kill their guys first. Our survival or theirs. Nothing differnet in the end. War is them or us. Nazi or free Europe. Communist or capitalist. Freedom or fanaticism.

An example of fanaticism

dude, you're fuckin scary.

 

[Gonz]

Still or again?

GOP 2004: Michael Moore Draws McCain Barb, Taunts from Crowd

By Joe Strupp

Published: August 30, 2004

NEW YORK The biggest commotion at the Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA Today.

Then, after taking his seat, he watched as Senator John McCain referred to a certain "disingenuous film-maker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace," and seemed to glance at Moore above him. Much of the audience erupted in boos and then, turning to Moore, many delegates shouted "Four more years!"

Moore waved, good-naturedly.

A short while later Moore exited, accompanied by heavy security. He told E & P on the way out that he was not fleeing: He had to speak to a Planned Parenthood gathering at a theater uptown.

Earlier, Moore had received more hassling than usual over press credentials on his way upstairs to his seat. Then it took 20 minutes for him to get from the hallway just outside to the seat, as he was stopped by security two more times.

Informed by a reporter that this was highly unusual, Moore quipped: "How well is YOUR movie doing?"

When he finally reached his seat, so many reporters and cameramen gathered that reporters already seated complained that the crush was disturbing their work.

Moore, dressed in his trademark red baseball cap and jeans, told E & P, "I don't why they are checking my credentials so much. I have the right credentials." He added, however, that so far this week "the police have been helpful." and "I have had not negative things said to me by any Republican."

Some Republicans nearby, however, were not shy about sharing their views of Moore with reporters. A GOP consultant from Pennsylvania, David Welch, said, "He's a troublemaker. I think he's here to cause trouble."

"I just want to do some work," Moore said. "This is an important historical event."

Finally seated, he wrote on a notepad, not a laptop, with security guards stationed at each end of his row. He said he had already handed in his first USA Today column.

Then McCain made his reference and suddenly Republicans were not treating him so nicely.

 

[Gonz]

This guy gets it.

NEW YORK, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- The following are remarks by Ron Silver as prepared for delivery at the 2004 Republican National Convention:

I want to thank the President and the Republican Party for holding this
event in my hometown, my father's hometown, my grandfather's and great
grandfather's birthplace.

Just over 1,000 days ago, 2,605 of my neighbors were murdered at the World
Trade Center -- men, women and children -- as they began their day on a
brilliantly clear New York autumn morning, less than four miles from where I
am now standing.

We will never forgive. Never forget. Never excuse!

At the end of World War II, General Douglas MacArthur, Supreme Allied
Commander of the South Pacific, said:
"It is my earnest hope - indeed the hope of all mankind - that from this
solemn occasion a better world shall emerge out of the blood and carnage of
the past, a world found upon faith and understanding, a world dedicated to the dignity of man and the fulfillment of his most cherished wish for freedom,
tolerance and justice."

The hope he expressed then remains relevant today.

We are again engaged in a war that will define the future of humankind.
Responding to attacks on our soil, America has led a coalition of countries
against extremists who want to destroy our way of life and our values.

This is a war we did not seek.

This is a war waged against us.

This is a war to which we had to respond.

History shows that we are not imperialists . . .but we are fighters for freedom and democracy.

Even though I am a well-recognized liberal on many issues confronting our
society today, I find it ironic that many human rights advocates and outspoken members of my own entertainment community are often on the front lines to protest repression, for which I applaud them but they are usually the first ones to oppose any use of force to take care of these horrors that they catalogue repeatedly.

Under the unwavering leadership of President Bush, the cause of freedom
and democracy is being advanced by the courageous men and women serving in our Armed Services.

The President is doing exactly the right thing.

That is why we need this President at this time!

I am grateful for the chance to speak tonight to express my support for
our Commander-in-Chief, for our brave troops, and for the vital cause which
they have undertaken.

General Dwight Eisenhower's statement of 60 years ago is true today . . .
"United in this determination and with unshakable faith in the cause for
which we fight, we will, with God's help, go forward to our greatest victory."

Thank you.

 

[freako104]

A fetus, an infant, a toddler, a preschooler, a teenager, an adult, an oldster, a dead person are all organic matter. That is softening of the language meant to make the unseemly more palatable.

which is a problem I do have with euphamisms. They hide the truth. or make it more palatable.

 

[chcr]

The nation still needs to act as one,

See, there you are. It won't anymore. You're expecting things that won't happen. The approach needs to change, the old ways don't work anymore. Not that I have an answer, per se, but what's not working is self-evident.

 

[HomeLAN]

I can't help contrasting this convention to the one a month ago. You know, the one where protesters weren't allowed out of their cages, republicans were yelled at on sight, and the speakers were laying out talking points on the events of 30 years ago instead of the last 3. Quite the comparison.

 

[Gonz]

See, there you are. It won't anymore. You're expecting things that won't happen. The approach needs to change, the old ways don't work anymore. Not that I have an answer, per se, but what's not working is self-evident.

Yes, I'm expecting things to happen. Things that have proven themsleves over & over & over again to work. I expect the members of society to conduct themselves with civility & I expect the members of society to use their higher brain function for something besides making better low carb milk shakes.

I expect.

I wait & grow older in disgust & with shame at what we've become.

 

[The Other One]

Spoken from the heart at the RNC:

"It's a fight between a just regard for human dignity and a malevolent force that defiles an honorable religion by disputing God's love for every soul on earth. It's a fight between right and wrong, good and evil."


"We must not be complacent at moments of success, and we must not despair over setbacks.
We must learn from our mistakes, improve on our successes, and vanquish this unpardonable enemy.

If we do less, we will fail the one mission no American generation has ever failed

to provide to our children a stronger, better country than the one we were blessed to inherit.

Remember how we felt when the serenity of a bright September morning was destroyed by a savage atrocity so hostile to all human virtue we could scarcely imagine any human being capable of it.

We were united. First, in sorrow and anger. Then in recognition we were attacked not for a wrong we had done, but for who we are a people united in a kinship of ideals, committed to the notion that the people are sovereign, not governments, not armies, not a pitiless, inhumane theocracy, not kings, mullahs or tyrants, but the people.

In that moment, we were not different races.

We were not poor or rich. We were not Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative. We were not two countries.

We were Americans.

All of us, despite the differences that enliven our politics, are united in the one big idea that freedom is our birthright and its defense is always our first responsibility. All other responsibilities come second.

We must not lose sight of that as we debate who among us should bear the greatest responsibility

for keeping us safe and free.

We must, whatever our disagreements, stick together in this great challenge of our time.


We Are Americans! We Are Americans! We Will Not Surrender, THEY WILL!"


Senator John McCain GOP Convention NYC, 2004

"We stood face to face with those people and forces who hijacked not just airplanes but a religion and turned it into a creed of terrorism dedicated to eradicating us and our way of life."


"In choosing a President, we really don't choose a Republican or Democrat, a conservative or liberal.

We choose a leader.

And in times of danger, as we are now in, Americans should put leadership at the core of their decision.

There are many qualities that make a great leader but having strong beliefs, being able to stick with them through popular and unpopular times, is the most important characteristic of a great leader.

Winston Churchill saw the dangers of Hitler while his opponents characterized him as a war-mongering gadfly.

Ronald Reagan saw and described the Soviet Union as "the evil empire" while world opinion accepted it as inevitable and belittled Ronald Reagan's intelligence.

President Bush sees world terrorism for the evil that it is."


Honorable Rudy Giuliani, GOP Convention NYC, 2004

 

[chcr]

I wait & grow older in disgust & with shame at what we've become.

Me too. I guess I'm just more pragmatic (or cynical).

 

[freako104]

Yes, I'm expecting things to happen. Things that have proven themsleves over & over & over again to work. I expect the members of society to conduct themselves with civility & I expect the members of society to use their higher brain function for something besides making better low carb milk shakes.

I expect.

I wait & grow older in disgust & with shame at what we've become.

you can expect it. Just dont get your hopes up