A question for the anti-war
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chcr
Too cute for words
All of that is true, Gonz. The war was justified with lies and innuendo, and Iraq will be as much of a mess after we leave as it was before we came. A different mess I'll grant you, but a better one? Once again, though, the main reason I was against the war in Iraq was that it completely turned away from the perpetrators of a murderous attack on America for what were (as far as I can tell) personal reasons. This will never be a good enough reason to go to war. I've pointed this out again and again, this will be enough for me.Gonz said:
Edit: Oh, and if its "freedom" to do that which we approve of, that's not really "freedom" at all, is it?
MrBishop
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Of course freedom is worth it...that's a granted statement.
I think that you're overlooking the obvious. The terrorists hate the insurgents and foreigners. There are more insurgents and foreigners in Iraq now then there were before the war..therefore the incidents of terrorist acts have gone up.
They may be afraid of the changes that will come with their 'freedom'..and that might explain some of the terrorist activity...but I think that it's more who brought the freedom to them and in which way that's really ticking them off.
IMHO
I think that you're overlooking the obvious. The terrorists hate the insurgents and foreigners. There are more insurgents and foreigners in Iraq now then there were before the war..therefore the incidents of terrorist acts have gone up.
They may be afraid of the changes that will come with their 'freedom'..and that might explain some of the terrorist activity...but I think that it's more who brought the freedom to them and in which way that's really ticking them off.
IMHO
Winky
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Without continued American armed forces participation in the internal affairs of Iraq the country will degenerate into a bloody civil conflict.
The Iranians would inculcate themselves in such a conflict, as they already are in all likelihood already are caught up in fomenting attacks in the south. Yup the US will be mixed up in Iraq long after most of us are planted in the ground.
The Iranians would inculcate themselves in such a conflict, as they already are in all likelihood already are caught up in fomenting attacks in the south. Yup the US will be mixed up in Iraq long after most of us are planted in the ground.
IDLEchild
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MrBishop said:
and that if freedom does come they do not have injustice as an excuse to carry out their personal vendettas. They might have to be real men and admit that this war is for their cause and their desire to see Islam....their Islam and THEIR morals be spread and followed around the world.
Winky
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anti-war equals Anti-American !!!!!!!!!!
I beg to differ with you my fellow jack booted thug!
The Iraqi's ain't nuthin like the Germans or the Japanese!
Without having to fill 175 paragraphs to make my point, which in the end any and everyone would agree, why there's no room for comparison between the three countries\cultures suffice to say we won't be buying Iraqi made cars EVER!
I'd love to see the three distinctly different factions (Baathist Kurd Shi'a)
of the region called 'Iraq' get their collective shit together and become a shining beacon of possibility for the rest of the Arab world
but I'd like to see true tax reform and smaller government in the U.S.
None of which do I ever expect to happen.
Gonz said:
I beg to differ with you my fellow jack booted thug!
The Iraqi's ain't nuthin like the Germans or the Japanese!
Without having to fill 175 paragraphs to make my point, which in the end any and everyone would agree, why there's no room for comparison between the three countries\cultures suffice to say we won't be buying Iraqi made cars EVER!
I'd love to see the three distinctly different factions (Baathist Kurd Shi'a)
of the region called 'Iraq' get their collective shit together and become a shining beacon of possibility for the rest of the Arab world
but I'd like to see true tax reform and smaller government in the U.S.
None of which do I ever expect to happen.
Re: anti-war equals Anti-American !!!!!!!!!!
I don't expect cheaper stereo parts & well made automobiles outside my price range anytime soon but I do expect a country of radical, anti-American, wannabe taking over the world, militarized, can't trust anybody not like us Arabs to move away from a history where yesterday they were Kings & today they can't buy boots to lick to a tomorrow where they can participate in the 21st Century with something more than firewood & AK-47's.
I don't expect cheaper stereo parts & well made automobiles outside my price range anytime soon but I do expect a country of radical, anti-American, wannabe taking over the world, militarized, can't trust anybody not like us Arabs to move away from a history where yesterday they were Kings & today they can't buy boots to lick to a tomorrow where they can participate in the 21st Century with something more than firewood & AK-47's.
Winky
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Question for the anti-Americans
LMFAO
You my Neocon buddy are an eternal optimist!
Just as Vietnam was the rallying point for a generation of commie lovin' pinko hippies in the sixties Iraq will be the issue for the terrorist lovin' left wingers for the coming decade.
If Barry Goldwater had won in 64. Marched right up to the Chinese border and tracked down Ho Chi Minh and put a boot on his neck and said do you still oppose a divided Vietnam? The Vietnam war would have been over and we wouldn't have had to wait a decade for President Reagan to restore a sense of pride in the American foreign policy.
If we don't do this Iraq thing right we will have a disaster that we will have to drag around for another decade.
So where is this BIG terrorist attack that the guys in dirty nightshirts promised us? Will another 9-11 cause these anti-American lefties to simmer down?
Oh I know it won't but hope springs eternal!
LMFAO
You my Neocon buddy are an eternal optimist!
Just as Vietnam was the rallying point for a generation of commie lovin' pinko hippies in the sixties Iraq will be the issue for the terrorist lovin' left wingers for the coming decade.
If Barry Goldwater had won in 64. Marched right up to the Chinese border and tracked down Ho Chi Minh and put a boot on his neck and said do you still oppose a divided Vietnam? The Vietnam war would have been over and we wouldn't have had to wait a decade for President Reagan to restore a sense of pride in the American foreign policy.
If we don't do this Iraq thing right we will have a disaster that we will have to drag around for another decade.
So where is this BIG terrorist attack that the guys in dirty nightshirts promised us? Will another 9-11 cause these anti-American lefties to simmer down?
Oh I know it won't but hope springs eternal!
Winky
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A question for the anti-Americans
Well one things for sure, Americans of every race creed color and religion would stand shoulder to shoulder to fight an indigenous commie left wing insurgency but in Iraq this type of belief in the country doesn't exist and never will.
I wouldn't give you two bits for the Iraqi's chances at making it as a nation.
Although the following article is written with the typical Left wing anti-American bias it does show partially what
they are up against.
Iraq Car Bombs Kill 41, Wound Nearly 150
Excerpt:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Car bombers targeted Iraq's security services Thursday,
blasting Iraqis hoping to join the military in Baghdad and a civil defense post north
of the capital, killing 41 people and wounding nearly 150.
Most of the victims were poor Iraqis desperate to take dangerous jobs in the Iraqi security forces because of a lack of alternatives in a country with up to 45 percent unemployment. They took their chances at the recruitment center in Baghdad even though a car bombing killed 47 people there in February.
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, here for talks with the Iraqi leadership, promised that American troops would support the new government after the handover because "Iraqi security forces are not ready to assume their job."
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And people whine about Doods in the cellblocks where we hold the guys that are behind this type of atrocity having to wear gurls panties on their heads?
One would ask who’s side the whiners are really on?
markjs said:
Well one things for sure, Americans of every race creed color and religion would stand shoulder to shoulder to fight an indigenous commie left wing insurgency but in Iraq this type of belief in the country doesn't exist and never will.
I wouldn't give you two bits for the Iraqi's chances at making it as a nation.
Although the following article is written with the typical Left wing anti-American bias it does show partially what
they are up against.
Iraq Car Bombs Kill 41, Wound Nearly 150
Excerpt:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Car bombers targeted Iraq's security services Thursday,
blasting Iraqis hoping to join the military in Baghdad and a civil defense post north
of the capital, killing 41 people and wounding nearly 150.
Most of the victims were poor Iraqis desperate to take dangerous jobs in the Iraqi security forces because of a lack of alternatives in a country with up to 45 percent unemployment. They took their chances at the recruitment center in Baghdad even though a car bombing killed 47 people there in February.
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, here for talks with the Iraqi leadership, promised that American troops would support the new government after the handover because "Iraqi security forces are not ready to assume their job."
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And people whine about Doods in the cellblocks where we hold the guys that are behind this type of atrocity having to wear gurls panties on their heads?
One would ask who’s side the whiners are really on?