Actual beef...

BS:thumbdn:
See this is what happens to some adults (using the word loosely) when
they don't have the right discipline as children.
They throw tantrums.
This is exactly why, the following generation (of some) get worse with ethics,
and more about PC. IMO
 
Here's some more fuel for this fire...

The DoD is required, by law, to provide transportation to which government officials within the CONUS? Hmmm...
 
See this is what happens to some adults (using the word loosely) when
they don't have the right discipline as children.
They throw tantrums.

Yep, whoever is throwing a tantrum about her requesting clarification didn'y get good childhood discipline. Looks like it's Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam.
 
Is this the first time this has been a problem for a Speaker of the House?
I'm guessing yes. Why?
 
Is this the first time this has been a problem for a Speaker of the House?
I'm guessing yes. Why?

Mudslinging 101 - raise something that wasn't an issue before, make it an issue and blind-side someone with it. Works beautifully, cause the press just eat it up. :bgpimp:
 
Mudslinging 101 - raise something that wasn't an issue before, make it an issue and blind-side someone with it. Works beautifully, cause the press just eat it up. :bgpimp:

Mostly has to do with money. A plane for her, her family, and her staff I can see, but anybody else has to fly commercial. :shrug:
 
What you end up with is a mostly empty plane flying back and forth. Still costs $22k/hour to fly whether it's got just her and he staff in it or if it happens to have a few 'friends' as well. :shrug:

It's extravagant, but it's not her decision.
 
What you end up with is a mostly empty plane flying back and forth. Still costs $22k/hour to fly whether it's got just her and he staff in it or if it happens to have a few 'friends' as well. :shrug:

It's extravagant, but it's not her decision.

Not really. By eliminating 'joy riders' you can go with a smaller plane, which means less fuel, which means less cost per hour for operation. The meat of the matter is her asking for a 747 when a 727 might do the job...
 
Isn't she just using the same plane that her predecessor had?

There was a bit in the article about the plane not needing refueling in transit which was 'safer'. :shrug:

If she could make due with a Lear jet...give her one of those to use when needed.
 
Isn't she just using the same plane that her predecessor had?

There was a bit in the article about the plane not needing refueling in transit which was 'safer'. :shrug:

If she could make due with a Lear jet...give her one of those to use when needed.

Thats what the article says, but the next statement is...if it was good enough for her predecessor, then why isn't it good enough for her?

BTW...the current aircraft is a Boeing 737, which has a range of 3,365 nautical miles (6,230 km). This aircraft also serves as Air Force 2, and is used by the Vice President when he flies...
 
WASHINGTON — The White House on Thursday came to the defense of Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, describing as "silly" reports about her use of a large Air Force transport plane to travel back and forth from her West Coast district.

"This is a silly story and I think it's been unfair to the speaker," White House spokesman Tony Snow said at a morning briefing with reporters.

"We think it's important that the speaker of the House enjoy the same kind of security that we arranged for Speaker Hastert in the wake of September 11th. And like I said, I think that there's been a lot of over-hyped reporting on this," Snow said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250848,00.html
 
a jumbo jet that costs $22,000 an hour to operate

Cost cutting could start there.

Because of 9/11, somebody had an idea that the Speaker needs government transportation. That does not mean that the Speaker & their family & entouage need government transportation. This woman, her husband & her main secretary can all fit aboard a Piper.

She & her ilk wants the military to be meals on wheels & a private taxi service instead of a lean mean fighting machine.
 
Cost cutting could start there.

Because of 9/11, somebody had an idea that the Speaker needs government transportation. That does not mean that the Speaker & their family & entouage need government transportation. This woman, her husband & her main secretary can all fit aboard a Piper.

She & her ilk wants the military to be meals on wheels & a private taxi service instead of a lean mean fighting machine.

By "& her ilk" do you mean "the previous speaker and the white house"?

"We think it's important that the speaker of the House enjoy the same kind of security that we arranged for Speaker Hastert in the wake of September 11th. And like I said, I think that there's been a lot of over-hyped reporting on this," Snow said.
 
Same kind of security. Good.

She doesn't need a 747 or a retrofitted C-130. Her predecessor had a 727. That's sufficient.

Her ilk-all the rest of the do-gooder liberal pansies who would be first on the firing squad if it weren't for a lean mean fighting machine. They wish to soften that which allows them to spew hate.
 
Same kind of security. Good.

She doesn't need a 747 or a retrofitted C-130. Her predecessor had a 727. That's sufficient.

I think the only issue with that is if the range is sufficient for the west coast.


Her ilk-all the rest of the do-gooder.....

That's just you spewing non-sensical hate.
 
Cost cutting could start there.

Because of 9/11, somebody had an idea that the Speaker needs government transportation. That does not mean that the Speaker & their family & entouage need government transportation. This woman, her husband & her main secretary can all fit aboard a Piper.

She & her ilk wants the military to be meals on wheels & a private taxi service instead of a lean mean fighting machine.

These are the same people who espouse cut-backs in troop levels, want to close bases (but not in their districts), and micro-manage every facet of military acquisitions, and then turn around and ask us to do a little extra for them...
 
Thats what the article says, but the next statement is...if it was good enough for her predecessor, then why isn't it good enough for her?

BTW...the current aircraft is a Boeing 737, which has a range of 3,365 nautical miles (6,230 km). This aircraft also serves as Air Force 2, and is used by the Vice President when he flies...


Well the Predecessor didn't live as far ,so a smaller plane wouldn't need to refuel on a shorter flight.
WASHINGTON - The Air Force transport plane decried by Republicans as an extravagance for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was requested by the House sergeant-at-arms as a matter of security, he said Thursday.“I regret that an issue that is exclusively considered and decided in a security context has evolved into a political issue,” Bill Livingood said in a news release. He said because Pelosi lives in California he was compelled “to request an aircraft that is capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable. This will ensure communications capabilities and also enhance security.”

But Snow on Thursday said the negotiations over Pelosi’s transport have been conducted solely by the House sergeant-at-arms and the Pentagon, with no direct involvement by the speaker or her office — or the White House.





Because of 9/11, somebody had an idea that the Speaker needs government transportation. That does not mean that the Speaker & their family & entouage need government transportation. This woman, her husband & her main secretary can all fit aboard a Piper.


The guidelines provided by the Pentagon say Pelosi could be accompanied by family members, provided they pay the government coach fare. The plane could not be used for travel to political events. Members of Congress could accompany her on the plane if the travel is cleared by the House ethics committee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17035721/
 
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