Administration Lied Hundreds of Times About Iraq

spike said:
Preparing by lying 935 times.
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For a statement to be a "lie" there needs to be a deliberate intent to deceive. And ultimately some kind of benefit to the "liar." Why would the Bush administration want to purposely dupe the American public, if not the entire world, about the threat that Iraq posed? What is the payoff?

Soros trots out a list of "falsehoods" http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarC...teTo=11/03/2007&SearchTerms_OrderBy=Record_Id
but does not even provide comment on the context.

Soros is a fool with an agenda against this country and should be deported.


Is it a "lie" if it was commonly thought to be true by nearly every US senator, congressman, and every head of state in the world?

"The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people."
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"It is the duty of any president, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threat. Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly, I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so."
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http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html
 
Cerise said:
For a statement to be a "lie" there needs to be a deliberate intent to deceive. And ultimately some kind of benefit to the "liar." Why would the Bush administration want to purposely dupe the American public, if not the entire world, about the threat that Iraq posed? What is the payoff?
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The payoff is he gets to start a war with Iraq like he wanted to. Where have you been?


Soros is a fool with an agenda against this country and should be deported.
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Actually Bush is a fool with an agenda against this country that should be deported.


Is it a "lie" if it was commonly thought to be true by nearly every US senator, congressman, and every head of state in the world?
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That's what lies doo they decieve people. However there were certainly plenty of people and countries that didn't fall for it and were against the war weren't there?
 
2minkey said:
hey let's just go ahead and blame the balfour letter.
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If you like. But in those days, there wasn't much of a population claiming that territory for a 'homeland'. It wasn't until the end of WWI that it started to become an issue. The factories being built there by the Jews from Europe had to be manned, and the area flooded with Arabs. There will be, of course, some arguments against that statement, but thats where it starts...
 
Cerise said:
But why would he want to start a war with Iraq?
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Really? Me, too.

Piro said Saddam also said that he wanted to keep up the illusion that he had the program in part because he thought it would deter a likely Iranian invasion.

“For him, it was critical that he was seen as still the strong, defiant Saddam. He thought that (faking having the weapons) would prevent the Iranians from reinvading Iraq,” Piro told Scott Pelley of “60 Minutes.”

Piro added that Saddam had the intention of restarting an Iraqi weapons program at the time, and had engineers available for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
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So...in other words...Saddam lied, and we fell for it. Now you anti-war folks can start saying something else stupid about the President...
 
The DSM: Fake but Accurate. Documents get created after the fact to support preconceived notions about what happened in the past.

Typed copies. Destroyed originals. Unnamed sources. The copies can't be authenticated. Were there ever any "originals?"

Did "C" ever speculate

Why

President Bush felt it was necessary to remove Saddam?

Accusations have been flying that he "lied" about the threat level to get us into war---but what was his

Motivation/Reason/Justification/Basis/Purpose

for "lying?"
 
Cerise said:
Did "C" ever speculate

Why
President Bush felt it was necessary to remove Saddam?

Accusations have been flying that he "lied" about the threat level to get us into war---but what was his

Motivation/Reason/Justification/Basis/Purpose

for "lying?"
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Good question. There's a few theories. I'd say you'd have to ask him but your not going to get a real answer obviously. What we do know is the reasons given at the time were bogus.
 
The theory is that President Bush knew unequivocally that the WMDs in Iraq were nonexistant--that he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt there was not even a crumb of sarin that could be had anywhere in that country---yet for some reason he lied to create support for war. Why?

There has to be a reason.
 
Yes, there does have to be a reason. However Bush or his inner circle aren't exactly going to be forthright with that reason.

PNAC had been itching for a war with Iraq for years. The aftermath of 9/11 had everyone scared which gave the administration an opening to tie the invasion of Iraq to the terrorist attacks through the lies they repeated over and over about Al Qaeda.

It worked. They lied and a large scary amount of Americans and even US soldiers fell for it and believed that Hussien was behind the attacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32862-2003Sep5?language=printer

This allowed them to focus most of the military's efforts in Iraq instead of going after Bin Laden or fighting real threats.

So who did this profit? Well there's the obvious usual suspects like Halliburton and other companies with no bid contracts. Then there's the billions of dollars that has just "gone missing" right?

Of course it'd be silly not to notice the oil fields Iraq has. Or the fact that Exxon and other oil companies are making record profits right now.

So hey PNAC got what they wanted, lots of people got rich and yet it only cost the tax payers a trillion dollars, millions of displaced Iraqis, countless dead or maimed, and a screwed up economy. Oh, can't forget all while increasing the threat of terrorism.

That should be something anyone can get behind.

I like what Ron Paul wrote on the subject.
 
man everytime I see this thread, I think....
Who's so board that they 'count' this kinda shit from a politician..
 
spike said:
Yes, there does have to be a reason.

PNAC had been itching for a war with Iraq for years.

It worked. They lied and a large scary amount of Americans and even US soldiers fell for it and believed that Hussien was behind the attacks.

This allowed them to focus most of the military's efforts in Iraq instead of going after Bin Laden or fighting real threats.

So who did this profit? Well there's the obvious usual suspects

Of course it'd be silly not to notice the oil fields Iraq has.

So hey lots of people got rich and yet it only cost the tax payers a trillion dollars, millions of displaced Iraqis, countless dead or maimed, and a screwed up economy. Oh, can't forget all while increasing the threat of terrorism.

That should be something anyone can get behind.
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Any theories as to why Congress authorized military force?
 
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