Another one bites the dust

Socialism is envy and hate enabled by terror. The briefest inquiry into socialism reveals its attraction to the unstable, the deviant and the psychopath. It craves domination without limit, not just of men but of the man. Socialists don't accept or tolerate the concept of the inner-directed person and despise those who do. They're obsessed with managing the least detail of each person's life and tip into a rage at the smallest lapse in fawning devotion."

Ol Remus and the woodpile report

"Be very careful, indeed, with your call for the redistribution of wealth, and fairness," he said. "It always ends up with a mountain of skulls."

Michael Savage
 
I know I am but what are you?
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hmmm. i'm thinking it's time to launch a knuckle baby, inspired by the women's undies section of the 1986 jc penny catalog. you got a better idea, soldier?

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Looks like #3 is in the wings.

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A U.S.-Backed Geothermal Plant in Nevada Struggles
By ERIC LIPTON and CLIFFORD KRAUSS
Published: October 2, 2011

WASHINGTON — In a remote desert spot in northern Nevada, there is a geothermal plant run by a politically connected clean energy start-up that has relied heavily on an Obama administration loan guarantee and is now facing financial turmoil.

The company is Nevada Geothermal Power, which like Solyndra, the now-famous California solar company, is struggling with debt after encountering problems at its only operating plant.

After a series of technical missteps that are draining Nevada Geothermal’s cash reserves, its own auditor concluded in a filing released last week that there was “significant doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern.”

It is a description that echoes the warning issued in 2010 by auditors hired by Solyndra, which benefited from the same Energy Department loan guarantee before its collapse in August caused the Obama administration great embarrassment.

The parallels between the companies illustrate the risk inherent in building the clean energy marketplace in the United States, government officials and industry experts say. Indeed, the loan guarantee program exists precisely because none of these ventures are a sure bet.

There are important differences between the fate of Nevada Geothermal and Solyndra, the maker of solar panels that has filed for bankruptcy.

The amount of money the federal government has at stake with Nevada Geothermal — a loan guarantee of $79 million plus at least $66 million in grants — is much smaller than the $528 million investment in Solyndra. There have been no allegations of wrongdoing by Nevada Geothermal or its Blue Mountain, Nev., plant.

Executives of the company express confidence that they can recover and say that the government investment is not at risk, despite the challenges they face because of a high debt load and lower-than-expected energy output at their plant.

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Oops. Another one on life support.

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Solar Project That Received $1.2 Billion Federal Loan Sponsored by Financially Troubled Firm

By Stephen Clark

Published October 12, 2011 | FoxNews.com

With the Solyndra scandal still swirling, the Obama administration is under pressure to reveal the financial condition of the solar companies that received $4.75 billion in similar federal loan guarantees on the last day of the program.

Republican lawmakers on two House committees are seeking details about the loans given to First Solar, SunPower Corp. and ProLogis. Of those three companies, troubling financial revelations have emerged about SunPower, which sponsored a solar project that received a $1.2 billion loan, more than twice the money approved for Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy last month after receiving a $528 million loan.

The Energy Department says on its website that the $1.2 billion loan to help build the California Valley Solar Ranch in San Luis Obispo County, a project that will help create 15 permanent jobs, which adds up to the equivalent of $80 million in taxpayer money for each job.

But the Energy Department stands by the project.

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A good overview.

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Firms gobble 'green' subsidies
New York Times
Published Saturday, Nov. 12, 2011

WASHINGTON – Halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco, on a former cattle ranch and gypsum mine, NRG Energy is building an engineering marvel: a compound of nearly a million solar panels that will produce enough electricity to power about 100,000 homes.

The project is also a marvel in another, less obvious way: Taxpayers and ratepayers are providing subsidies worth almost as much as the entire $1.6 billion cost of the project. Similar subsidy packages have been given to 15 other solar- and wind-power electric plants since 2009.

The government support – which includes loan guarantees, cash grants and contracts that require electricity customers to pay higher rateslargely eliminated the risk to the private investors and almost guaranteed them large profits for years to come. (That would be "speculative bullshit" according to some who post here. -- j)

The beneficiaries include financial firms like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, conglomerates like General Electric, (Notice any Obama buddies in that list? Yep. All of them. -- j) utilities like Exelon and NRG – and even Google.

A great deal of attention has been focused on Solyndra, a startup that received $528 million in federal loans to develop cutting-edge solar technology before it went bankrupt, but nearly 90 percent of the $16 billion in clean-energy loans guaranteed by the federal government since 2009 went to subsidize these lower-risk plants, which in many cases were backed by big companies with vast resources.

When the Obama administration and Congress expanded the clean-energy incentives in 2009, a gold-rush mentality took over.

As NRG chief executive David W. Crane put it to Wall Street analysts early this year, the government's largess was a once-in-a-generation opportunity, and "we intend to do as much of this business as we can get our hands on."

NRG, along with partners, ultimately secured $5.2 billion in federal loan guarantees plus hundreds of millions in other subsidies for four large solar projects.

"I have never seen anything that I have had to do in my 20 years in the power industry that involved less risk than these projects," Crane said in a recent interview. "It is just filling the desert with panels."

From 2007 to 2010, federal subsidies jumped to $14.7 billion from $5.1 billion, according to a recent study. Most of the surge came from the economic stimulus bill, which was passed in 2009 and financed an Energy Department loan guarantee program and a separate Treasury Department grant program that were promoted as important in creating green jobs.

States such as California sweetened the pot by offering their own tax breaks and by approving long-term power-purchase contracts that require ratepayers to pay billions more for electricity for as long as two decades.

The federal loan guarantee program expired Sept. 30. The Treasury grant program is scheduled to expire at the end of December, although the energy industry is lobbying Congress to extend it. But other subsidies will remain.

The windfall for the industry over the last three years raises questions of whether the Obama administration and state governments went too far in their support of solar and wind power projects, some of which would have been built anyway, according to the companies involved.

Obama administration officials argue that the incentives, which began on a large scale late in the Bush administration but were expanded by the stimulus legislation, make economic and environmental sense. Beyond the short-term increase in construction hiring, they say, the lower carbon emissions will benefit the country for decades.

"Subsidies and government support have been part of many key industries in U.S. history – railroads, oil, gas and coal, aviation," said Damien LaVera, an Energy Department spokesman.

A case study

NRG's California Valley Solar Ranch project is a case study in the banquet of government subsidies available to the owners of a renewable-energy plant.

The first subsidy is for construction. The plant is expected to cost $1.6 billion to build, with key components made by SunPower at factories in California and Asia. In late September, the Energy Department agreed to guarantee a $1.2 billion construction loan, with the Treasury Department lending the money at a rate of about 3.5 percent, compared with the 7 percent executives said they otherwise would have had to pay.

That support alone is worth about $205 million to NRG over the life of the loan, according to an analysis performed for the New York Times by Booz & Co., a strategic consulting firm that regularly performs such studies.

When construction is complete, NRG is eligible to receive a $430 million check from the Treasury Department – part of a change made in 2009 that allows clean-energy projects to receive 30 percent of their cost as a cash grant upfront instead of taking other tax breaks gradually over several years.

Californians are also making a big contribution. Under a state law passed to encourage the construction of more solar projects, NRG will not have to pay property taxes to San Luis Obispo County on its solar panels, saving the company an estimated $14 million a year.

Assisted by another state law, which mandates that California utilities buy 33 percent of their power from clean-energy sources by 2020, the project's developers struck lucrative contracts with Pacific Gas & Electric to buy the plant's power for 25 years.

PG&E, and ultimately its electricity customers, will pay NRG $150 to $180 a megawatt-hour, according to a person familiar with the project, who asked not to be identified because the price information was confidential. At the time the contract was awarded, that was about 50 percent more than the expected market cost of electricity from a newly built gas-powered plant, state officials said.

While neither state regulators nor the companies will divulge all the details, the extra cost to ratepayers amounts to a $462 million subsidy, according to Booz, which calculated the present value of the higher rates over the life of the contracts. Additional depreciation tax breaks for renewable energy plants could save the company another $110 million, according to Christopher Dann, the Booz analyst.

The total value of all those subsidies in today's dollars is about $1.4 billion, leading to an expected rate of return of 25 percent for the project's equity investors, Booz said.

Crane, the NRG executive, disputed the Booz estimate, saying that the company's return on equity was "in the mid-teens."

NRG, which initially is investing about $400 million in the project, expects to get all of its equity back in two to five years, according to a statement it made in August to Wall Street analysts.

By 2015, NRG expects to be earning at least $300 million a year in profits from all of its solar projects combined. The company also owns dozens of power plants fueled by coal, natural gas and oil.

Overflowing breaks

NRG is not the only company gobbling up subsidies. At least 10 of the 16 solar or wind electricity generation projects that secured Energy Department loan guarantees intend to also take the Treasury Department grant, and all but two of the projects have long-term agreements to sell almost all of their power.

Even companies whose business has little to do with energy or finance, like the Internet giant Google, benefit from the public subsidies. Google has invested in several renewable energy projects, including a giant solar plant in the California desert and a wind farm in Oregon, in part to get federal tax breaks that it can use to offset its profits from Web advertising.

Industry executives and other supporters of the subsidies say the public money was vital, partly because financing for renewable energy projects dried up during the recession. They note that traditional energy sectors, like oil and natural gas, get heavy subsidies of their own. In fiscal 2010, the oil and gas producers got federal tax breaks of $2.7 billion, according to the Energy Information Administration.

Obama administration officials said the subsidies were intended to help renewable-energy plants that were jumbo-sized or used innovative technology, both potential obstacles to getting private financing. But even proponents say the administration may have gone overboard.

Concerns that the government was being too generous reached all the way to President Barack Obama. In an October 2010 memo prepared for the president, Lawrence H. Summers, then his top economic adviser; Carol M. Browner, then his adviser on energy matters; and Ronald A. Klain, then the vice president's chief of staff, expressed discomfort with the "double dipping" that was starting to take place. They said investors had little "skin in the game."

Officials involved in reviewing loan applications said the Treasury Department pressed the Energy Department to respond to the concerns.

Officials at both agencies declined to discuss the anticipated financial returns of the clean-energy projects the federal government has agreed to guarantee, saying the information was confidential. But Energy Department officials said they had evaluated every project to try to calculate how much money the developers and investors stood to make.

"They were rejected if they looked too rich or too risky," said LaVera, the Energy Department spokesman.

Satya Kumar, an analyst at Credit Suisse who specializes in renewable energy companies, said there is no question that the United States will see real benefits from the surge in renewable energy projects.

"But the industry could have done a lot more solar for a lot less price, in terms of subsidy," he said.

© Copyright The Sacramento Bee. All rights reserved.
 
Still more interesting numbers. (and "speculative bullshit".-- j)

Abengoa Solar has various projects in Spain and the US. In the past two years they received $2.65 billion dollars in loan guarantees from the DOE. In July 2010 Abengoa Solar received a $1.45 billion guarantee for the Solana project, while in June 2011 it received a conditional commitment of a $1.2 billion guarantee for the Mojave Solar project.

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Well, the DOE’s own fact sheet claims that the Solana project has created 1,700 temporary construction jobs, while yielding a permanent 60 jobs “created or saved.” Simple division shows that the $1.45 billion guarantee therefore works out to $824,000 per job (when we include the temporary construction ones), and a whopping $24.2 million per permanent job “created or saved.”

The numbers are similar for the more recent Mojave Solar project. For a guarantee of $1.2 billion, the DOE estimates it will create 830 permanent construction jobs, and will “create or save” 70 permanent jobs. This works out to $1.33 million per job (including permanent ones), and $17.1 million per permanent job.

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Beyond reliance on federal loan guarantees, Abengoa Solar also receives government assistance in the form of investment tax credits (ITC). In 2008 CEO Santiago Seage said that the company would start construction on the Solana solar plant in 2009 if Congress extended the ITC. (Presumably Seage should have also mentioned he would need, in 2010, a $1.45 billion loan guarantee for the Solana project.)

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When it comes to dubious lobbying, however, Abengoa Bioenergy is literally award-winning, as this article explains:

BRUSSELS, Dec 10, 2008 (IPS) – An unconventional awards ceremony was held in Brussels Dec. 9. The ‘Worst EU Lobbying Awards’ gave recognition to those corporate interest groups that have resorted to deceptive tactics while seeking to shape legislation in their favour.

Following an online poll which generated over 8,500 votes, the top prize went jointly to three firms that have been striving to convince policy makers that biofuels are ecologically benign.

Abengoa Bioenergy (the U.S. subsidiary of a Spanish firm), the Brazilian sugar industry association Unica and the Malaysian Palm Oil Council (MPOC) were lambasted for the content of their advertisements.

One ad by Abengoa attributed a quote to the European Federation for Transport and Environment (T&E), a green campaign group, which suggested that ethanol made from crops such as sugar was the only solution to addressing society’s “addiction to oil”. Not only did T&E never make that claim, it has been critical of the EU’s efforts to use the increased consumption of biofuels as a pretext for avoiding measures to boost the energy efficiency of cars.

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Ay-yi-yi the hits they just keep comin'.

Three more on the ropes?

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Solyndra Haunts Other Gov't-Backed Firms
By Steve Hargreaves

POSTED: 7:38 am PDT September 23, 2011

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- At least three other government-backed solar firms face the same challenging market conditions that brought down Solyndra, the now bankrupt solar panel maker that could cost taxpayers over $500 million.

The Solyndra bankruptcy is now the subject of an investigation and a fierce partisan fight in Congress.

The company's downfall is generally thought to have been caused by the declining price of silicon.

Solyndra didn't use silicon. But many of its competitors did -- traditional solar firms like Sunpower, Trina Solar, Yingli and Jinkosolar. Solyndra was banking that high silicon prices would give it a competitive advantage.

When silicon prices plummeted, Solyndra lost its edge.

And Solyndra wasn't alone. Three other firms the Energy Department has backed are relying on the same principle.

Those companies include Abound Solar, Solopower and 1366 Technologies. Together, they have received $806 million in loan guarantees from the Energy Department.

Are they also doomed? Experts say that if they can further develop their technology they may have a fighting chance but market conditions in the near-term are working against them.

"Part of their business plan was based on solar grade silicon having a high cost," said Scott Brown, chief executive of the private equity firm New Energy Capital. "That premise is no longer there."

Abound Solar said its panels are still competitive, and 1366 Technologies was unavailable for immediate comment. Solopower did not return a call and email.

An Energy Department spokesman said the agency was not worried about these companies failing, saying it conducts rigorous reviews of all the ventures it funds.

Falling prices: Silicon prices have fallen from about $500 a ton a couple years ago to $50 a ton today, said Brown, thanks in large part to major investment in silicon-producing plants by China.

China's investment in silicon as well as its huge investments in solar panel makers, combined with weaker demand worldwide as subsidies expire in Europe, caused the price of traditional solar panels to plummet.

In the last year alone they fell some 40%.


All across the globe, solar panel makers, especially ones that were developing more advanced technology, are finding it hard to compete with the Chinese as the price of solar panels drops.

But for the rest of the industry, cheap solar panels are great news.

Cheaper panels mean more people will switch to the clean technology. Work has been booming for solar installers, project developers, and financiers. Just this week the industry said solar power capacity in the United States jumped 69% in the second quarter compared to the same time last year.

The Energy Department, as part of its plan to fund R&D and commercialization of renewable and clean energy technology, has backed or is considering backing loans to 42 firms across the sector totaling $39 billion in funding.

Most of the loans have gone to lower risk generation projects like big wind and solar farms which have signed long-term power purchase agreements with utilities.

But a handful of the loans were considered to be higher risk because they went to cutting edge manufacturers. Among them are makers of so-called thin film solar technology.

Thin film panels, which use no silicon, produce less electricity per panel than traditional silicon ones. But they are cheaper to produce, and are therefore ideally suited to large-scale deployment.

"If solar is going to be on par with coal, thin film is likely the answer," said Jessie Pichel, head of clean energy research at the investment bank Jefferies & Co. "But they need more time to develop the technology. The near-term outlook is quite bleak for thin film companies."

The collapse in prices for traditional solar panels has made it even more important for the industry to further develop thin film technology that can compete. Pichel said many thin film firms have scrapped production plans and gone back to the research lab.

Not so for ill-fated Solyndra. Its combination of thin film technology with a cylindrical design went head-to-head with traditional panels. The firm went belly up last month.

Still in the game: Abound Solar, which got a $400 million loan backed by the DOE, isn't backing down either.

Julian Hawkins, head of sales and marketing for Abound, said the firm is using some of the money to add a second line of production at its Colorado facility, and then plans on using the lion's share of it to revamp an old DaimlerChrysler building outside of Kokomo, Indiana, starting in 2012.

Hawkins said the fall in silicon prices has been difficult for the firm in the short term, but that Abound's strategy relies on improving the manufacturing process itself, not the technology in particular.

He says the company's solar panels are already competitive with traditional silicon panels.

"Making solar panels more cheaply is the basis of the company," said Hawkins. "We're still on track."

The Obama administration, which has taken considerable heat over the Solyndra collapse, is clearly hoping that optimism pans out.

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thanks for supporting my earlier points, jim.

i would have selected the same the things you marked up in boldface as particularly salient.

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Hey, it was you who wanted me to do your homework. Still haven't found any successes though. I'll keep looking. You continue to sit on your ass and watch.
 
Jimmy, whats the matter with you?

Those ARE successes!
I hope you realize this.

While we are sitting on the couch eating bon bon's
watching the greatest theft in human history
trust me there will be hell to pay down the road.



Get ready for that mountain of skulls.
 
You continue to sit on your ass and watch.

wow there's something relevant to the conversation. nice one.

i've done my homework, jim. i know fairly well how difficult it would be for you to gather some real data and present it in a coherent way. and, really, i don't think you're capable of either. this thread has been lingering for days and you still have not gotten off your ass.

so that is where this ends. you will continue to spout the same kind of nonsense, supported by next to nothing, because it supports the point of view that you have absolute and irrational faith in.

alrighty then.

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Two down and four waiting in the wings is relevant. The numbers continue to mount and that affects your cry for statistics. Six out of nineteen is a significant statistic; but who's counting anyway?
 
The numbers continue to mount and that affects you cry for statistics.

gee jim, my preference for sufficient, tangible evidence doesn't have much to do with this particular instance. mounting numbers does no affect me cry fo statistics jim. me cry first. suggest you learn some basic logic.

and you still have no idea why your previous bold text supports what i've said. you ain't gonna get that one neither. try taking a different view sometime, and play around with it. you might learn something.
 
The bolded text was directed at you so you could do the Cliffs Notes version. Always the ingrate.
 
wow another brilliant response to the question that was never asked.

i told you that i agreed with what you had bolded. yes, cliff notes, the most salient points. as i agreed they were. i thought it would be neat if you could take another viewpoint and work through those points with it successfully. as a hypothetical.

stop clenching so much dude.
 
i told you that i agreed with what you had bolded. yes, cliff notes, the most salient points. as i agreed they were. i thought it would be neat if you could take another viewpoint and work through those points with it successfully. as a hypothetical.

stop clenching so much dude.

Didn't see you as in agreement. Perhaps it was clouded by the ad homs and vagaries.
 
it would be harder to be clearer than this, buddy. a little sillyness, but no ad hom. nothing terribly vague either.


thanks for supporting my earlier points, jim.

i would have selected the same the things you marked up in boldface as particularly salient.

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and...

and you still have no idea why your previous bold text supports what i've said. you ain't gonna get that one neither. try taking a different view sometime, and play around with it. you might learn something.

hmmm that doesn't seem to be so ad hom either... ain't murky none neither...
 
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