Ban the anthem!

Jeslek

Banned
Carol Slezak of the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES is proposing a ban on the Star Spangled Banner before sporting events.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/slezak/cst-spt-carol251.html

War brings out the best and the worst in nations and their people. But when hockey fans in Montreal booed the American anthem last week before a game against the New York Islanders, was that an example of the best or the worst of the Canadian people? And when some fans in Atlanta and Florida retaliated by booing the Canadian anthem before games last weekend, was that the best or the worst of the American people?

Not so long ago, Roseanne Barr was criticized for grabbing her crotch and spitting after rendering a shrieking version of the American anthem before a baseball game. Barr, everyone agreed, was bad. But separating the good guys from the bad guys has become more difficult.

The president of the Montreal Canadiens issued an apology for the behavior of his team's fans, as did the Atlanta Thrashers and Florida Panthers organizations. The league, embarrassed by the booing incidents, was relieved when fans in other Canadian cities cheered the American anthem. (Those darn French Canadians in Quebec, they're always in the minority and they're usually causing trouble.) The league and the affected clubs all agreed that a sports event is not an appropriate place to express political opinions.

If that's true, then why play the anthem before sports events? Aren't all anthems political statements? And if they're not, then why would anyone be upset when an anthem is booed?

Anthems are a political statement, of course. As such, the issue that should be debated is not the appropriateness of political expression at sports events, but the appropriateness of playing the national anthem at sports events. If the readers I hear from are an indication, many American sports fans believe sports and politics should be separate entities that never commingle. But doesn't the anthem bring a political undertone to every sports event, if only for those minutes when it's being played? Is it fair to say that only a pro-American sentiment is appropriate at sports events? It's hardly democratic to welcome cheering during the anthem, but frown upon any other reaction.

Certainly it's understandable that there are people in Montreal who object to the U.S. waging war in Iraq. Many people in the U.S. object to this war. People all over the globe are objecting to this war.

Some people object to the very concept of war.

This is a touchy subject, particularly since Sept. 11, 2001, and especially now. Interpretations of patriotism vary considerably from person to person. When Toni Smith, the Manhattanville College basketball player, silently protested the American anthem this season, many felt she was acting in an unpatriotic manner, while others praised her courage. When military jets partake in pregame ceremonies at a football stadium or NASCAR event, some see an amazing display of America's strength and virtue, while others find such ceremonies repellent, not to mention dangerous and costly. And while some believe booing the anthem is akin to sacrilege, others believe the act is a valid way to convey an antiwar sentiment.

There is no middle ground here.

Few athletes in any sport welcome political controversy, but some hockey players spoke bluntly about what happened in Montreal. The incident angered Wade Belak of the Toronto Maple Leafs, a Canadian.

''I think it's a joke,'' Belak told the Toronto Sun. ''The U.S. is the one protecting our [butts] in the rest of the world. They are our big brother, and we need them. For [fans] to boo the [American] anthem is disgraceful. If anything, Canadians should be kissing [Americans' butts].''

The Maple Leafs' Jyrki Lumme, a native of Finland, and Phil Housley, an American, feel fans have a right to voice their opinion.

''I would not do it to any anthem, but there are different ways of showing how you feel,'' Lumme said. ''They have the freedom to do it.''

This country's professional sports leagues have become increasingly global. The NHL plays the Canadian and American anthems before its games. But in the NHL, in addition to Canada and the United States, players come from the Czech Republic, Finland, France, Russia, Sweden and places in between. The anthems of those nations aren't played before games.

During peaceful times, the anthem is an afterthought for most people, gaining attention only when a celebrity mangles its words or tune. During fearful times, many want to make it a litmus test for patriotism, but no one can agree on what that test should be.

Sing or silently protest? Cheer or boo? Learn the second (or third) verse? There is no wrong answer. There's only what's right for each person. But many people--too many people--are unwilling to accept this fact.

There is a way to curtail this controversy, though. We should dispense with the playing of the national anthem before sports events. That way, fans could channel their patriotism in more productive ways, such as in the voting booth. And sports could resume their proper role in society, that of entertaining diversions.
 
Remember how the Montreal Canadiens booed the U.S. national anthem? Well, MY team, the Toronto Maple Leafs cheered it. :) Whether it was because they have a different mindset concerning the Americans or because they hate the Montreal Canadiens is anyone's guess. Perhaps a combination of the two.
 
Your team? I thought you were american now. In fact, you said as much in several threads.

You need to write some of this down, coz you're starting to look like a complete ass. First you're straight, then you're gay, then you're bi. Then you're american, then you're canadian. What next? You gonna be mexican?
 
But I live in Toronto, and I cheer for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

And Professur, have you heard of dual citizenship? I have dual citizenship. I also believe I've stated that repeatedly in the past.

As to sexuality, well, *shrug*, I didn't come with a manual and unless you're in the same scenario you have no freaking idea how it is to be unsure what you like and what you don't like in conjunction with peer pressure and all that other stuff.
 
Jeslek said:
But I live in Toronto, and I cheer for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

And Professur, have you heard of dual citizenship? I have dual citizenship. I also believe I've stated that repeatedly in the past.

As to sexuality, well, *shrug*, I didn't come with a manual and unless you're in the same scenario you have no freaking idea how it is to be unsure what you like and what you don't like in conjunction with peer pressure and all that other stuff.


Oh, the fun I could have with this, if only I didn't have to be up for work at 5am. So I'll keep it brief.

Heard of dual citizenship? Not only have I heard of it, I hold it. So what? I'm still a Scot. Will be 'til the day I die. Who you are has nothing to do with where you were born, or what papers you hold. It's who you think you are that matters. Do you think any of those soldiers fighting are doing it because of their paperwork?

As to sexuality ...:rofl: None of us came with a manual. We came with hormones, and a brain. Being unsure of what you are would be a sign that you're missing one. And peer pressure hasn't had any effect on you that I've noticed. Quit wallowing and decide already. Are you this wishy washy on everything?

Oh, my, whatever shall I have for supper? I can't decide. Should I have the bangers and mash? Or the meat pie? Oh the pressure? Will people laugh at me if I choose wrong? And which is wrong? Dare I choose?

Sounds stupid, doesn't it?
 
When you put it this way, it sounds stupid. But live isn't quite that simple. You have the benefit of a lot of experience. I don't.

As to your comment "being unsure of what you are would be a sign you're missing one", well that is just stupid. Do you think everyone immediately know what their sexual orientation is when they are born? Unless you've gone through that, you can't *possibly* pass judgment by saying if you're unsure you're lacking a brain. Because, then I and countless others are all lacking a brain (because it sure ain't hormones).
 
Jeslek said:
Do you think everyone immediately know what their sexual orientation is when they are born?

We all knew long before we were in college ;)
 
War brings out the best and the worst in nations and their people. But when hockey fans in Montreal booed the American anthem last week before a game against the New York Islanders, was that an example of the best or the worst of the Canadian people? And when some fans in Atlanta and Florida retaliated by booing the Canadian anthem before games last weekend, was that the best or the worst of the American people?

jeez...you guys aren't used to anything over there...booing the other ones anthem is pretty common around here.
its hard to see a game where it doesn't happen...if people don't 'boo' quite a few are dissapointed...
 
Wow, I missed something here. Whats up with Jeslek? I guess I'm out of the loop. I always thought this living in Canada, the Middle East, South Africa, ect etc and speaking 9000 languages thing and never making reference to living in the states and saying 'we' when he is refering to himself as an American was odd, but I missed this whole 'other' saga.

So I'm curious, does that mean Jeslek was 'HappyGaymore' back in the day at HWC? Now it makes sense! The mystery is finally solved.
 
RD_151 said:
Wow, I missed something here. Whats up with Jeslek? I guess I'm out of the loop. I always thought this living in Canada, the Middle East, South Africa, ect etc and speaking 9000 languages thing and never making reference to living in the states and saying 'we' when he is refering to himself as an American was odd, but I missed this whole 'other' saga.

So I'm curious, does that mean Jeslek was 'HappyGaymore' back in the day at HWC? Now it makes sense! The mystery is finally solved.

:rofl:

I once asked LL how long he lived in the USA and from what I remember, it wasn't very long.
 
*shrug* I've been just over three years in Canada. I haven't exactly spend any significant amount of time in one place. In fact, I don't recall living in the same place for more than 5 years. Ever.
 
So what, your parents are Americans, or you were born here? Sorry, I'm just curious since this is a little confusing.
 
PuterTutor said:
So when exactly did you live in the States?

Still haven't got an answer here. Just wondering how you got citizenship here.
 
PuterTutor said:
Just wondering how you got citizenship here.

Are you waiting for an answer or his answer? I can explain the process, in general.
 
I'm waiting for his answer. It's not something you can do on a weekend trip. Isn't there a length of stay requirement too?
 
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