can police demand ID's?

I would have never thought of not identifying myself to a policeman, particularly if I had done something wrong. I just don't get it.
 
PuterTutor said:
I would have never thought of not identifying myself to a policeman, particularly if I had done something wrong. I just don't get it.
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Thing is, PT. He had done nothing wrong, except bruise somebody's fragile ego.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Thing is, PT. He had done nothing wrong, except bruise somebody's fragile ego.
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He was suspected of drinking and driving and of hitting his daughter. He was being questioned by the police in-situ, for two crimes. the fact that he didn't get prosecuted for either is irrelevant. He was arrested (stopped) for them.

Now...the cops in question should've respected his right to remain silent. They didn't...but beyond some stubborn reasoning on his part, I don't understand how giving his name because an issue.

With all this in mind...if a cop asks you for ID (drivers license etc...) and you refuse. That is not protected by the right to remain silent...that's resisting arrest. (albeit, not physically).
 
MrBishop said:
He was suspected of drinking and driving and of hitting his daughter. He was being questioned by the police in-situ, for two crimes. the fact that he didn't get prosecuted for either is irrelevant. He was arrested (stopped) for them.

Now...the cops in question should've respected his right to remain silent. They didn't...but beyond some stubborn reasoning on his part, I don't understand how giving his name because an issue.

With all this in mind...if a cop asks you for ID (drivers license etc...) and you refuse. That is not protected by the right to remain silent...that's resisting arrest. (albeit, not physically).
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Suspicion does not equal guilt, and a traffic stop does not automatically mean arrest. The cop abused his authority by arresting said suspect with no grounds what-so-ever. Trust me. I've been stopped often enough for DWB to know what he went through.
 
Yup...They are the 'Authorities' because we have endowed them with certain 'authority'...Otherwise they would just be the guys with the matching clothes. If requested information is not in and of itself incriminating, compliance is mandatory once detained by the police.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Suspicion does not equal guilt, and a traffic stop does not automatically mean arrest. The cop abused his authority by arresting said suspect with no grounds what-so-ever. Trust me. I've been stopped often enough for DWB to know what he went through.
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DWB?
 
Driving While Black, Bish. It was a common practice...still is, I think, although they have to be more careful since the backlash about profiling...
 
Squiggy said:
Driving While Black, Bish. It was a common practice...still is, I think, although they have to be more careful since the backlash about profiling...
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Sorry for my innocence. I've heard the phrase, but not the acronym. Racial profiling...yeah. I've seen that happen...mind you, I've' seen the same thing for young men (regardless of race), and in my area, Natives.

Sickens me really...stereotyping is the worst kind of 'ism' there is.
 
In California, more and more police agencies are accepting as OK identification the "matricula consular" ID card issued by the Mexican government to its citizens in the US.

But that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that Wells Fargo and a few other banks accept the matricula consular to open bank accounts. Regardless of whether the card is issued mainly to illegal aliens or not, there's an issue of security, since the word on the street is that it's beyond easy to get a fake Mexican birth certificate.
 
re : can police demand ids

they were probably just trying to fill their quota for the night and came across an unco-operative soul, it happens all the time, he should just be glad he doesn't live in a military state, there you can do nothing, pay the bribe, take the beating, or get thrown in jail :disgust2:
 
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not basing any ideas on this particular story(we are hearing one side only).
To answer the question YES if asked it should be given to them. We put them in power to do just this. I get tired of hearing how they shouldnt do this or that. Usually something we told them was the right thing to do. No we ask that they use situational ethics when doing their job? seems like a bunch of bull to me.
 
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Regardless of that singular case, a Supreme Court Ruling that people do not have to tell police their names would IMO just cause a boatload of unnecessary BS. What would then be the point of carrying ID when you drive (and by extension - what would be the point of having traffic officers if they would be able to do nothing, zip, nada, zilch about obtaining identification from people they have pulled over?).

Seems to me just a short while ago almost the entire US had their knickers in a knot about the government allowing illegal aliens to drive, now this one comes along & wants to allow people to basically give the finger to the cops as a means of ID? Makes no frikken sense :retard:
 
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agree with ya there AT, and what most dont realize is by the time the officer has walked up to your car, your plates have already been ran. Most do this now for their own protection. So when they do ask for registration and ID and get a gun pointed at them instead someone has an idea who pulled the trigger. Plus most cars nowdays also use video survelliance cams in the front and back of their. Most people when pulled ove know exactly why they were, just dont want to pay the fine for the crime.
 
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And it will of course be extended beyond traffic violations. So it will tripple the workload the police already has (causing citizens to bitch and moan even more about the inadequacies of the force, because they'll be bogged down in paperwork trying to figure out who did what when and won't have enough time to do the actual policing). What an eventual waste of taxpayers' money.

And underaged drinking? What about factors like drug trafficing? If the police have no means to identify a suspect, how will they be able to build a profile about him/her? (I'm talking about someone being arrested for suspected dealing - if they don't have to give their ID the cops will have to hold them on suspicion, get an indictment for release of their ID and by the time that comes the suspect's lawayer will have found a million and one loopholes in the system to get the filth out on the street again)

This just smells like one of those things that seems like a good idea at the slight chance it might benefit you, but will come back to bite you in the arse in more than one way eventually.
 
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AlphaTroll said:
And it will of course be extended beyond traffic violations. So it will tripple the workload the police already has (causing citizens to bitch and moan even more about the inadequacies of the force, because they'll be bogged down in paperwork trying to figure out who did what when and won't have enough time to do the actual policing). What an eventual waste of taxpayers' money.

And underaged drinking? What about factors like drug trafficing? If the police have no means to identify a suspect, how will they be able to build a profile about him/her? (I'm talking about someone being arrested for suspected dealing - if they don't have to give their ID the cops will have to hold them on suspicion, get an indictment for release of their ID and by the time that comes the suspect's lawayer will have found a million and one loopholes in the system to get the filth out on the street again)

This just smells like one of those things that seems like a good idea at the slight chance it might benefit you, but will come back to bite you in the arse in more than one way eventually.
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Once again, I believe the point is being missed. The man did nothing wrong. If he was actually doing something, then, yes, by all means get his name, but, since he had done nothing at all, why was he stopped? There's more to this than a simple stop (just my opinion).
 
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Ok, that man DID nothing wrong, so what is wrong with showing your ID?
 
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Gato, I said in my first post that I wasn't too concerned with the particulars of this case. The impact of a Supreme Court ruling (based on one singular case) will have greater & more far reaching effect than just appeasing one man who had been wronged by the police.

My second post was just a few thoughts on how far reaching the effects would be, because if people are protected by law from not producing ID when requested to do so by the police, that law can surely not be restricted to suspected traffic violations only.

I did not miss the point of why the man deemed it necessary and yes, it would seem that the police probably was in the wrong in that case, but I think the proposed action would eventually be more harmful than actually doing good.
 
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AlphaTroll said:
Gato, I said in my first post that I wasn't too concerned with the particulars of this case. The impact of a Supreme Court ruling (based on one singular case) will have greater & more far reaching effect than just appeasing one man who had been wronged by the police.

My second post was just a few thoughts on how far reaching the effects would be, because if people are protected by law from not producing ID when requested to do so by the police, that law can surely not be restricted to suspected traffic violations only.

I did not miss the point of why the man deemed it necessary and yes, it would seem that the police probably was in the wrong in that case, but I think the proposed action would eventually be more harmful than actually doing good.
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Ahhh. I get your point, now. :blush:

Sorry.
 
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