China/Taiwan

unclehobart

unclehobart

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If China finally declared war and invaded Taiwan to reclaim her for the state...

What do you think would happen?
Would the US be dragged into the war? Japan? Korea?
Repercussion in economy and trade?
Can the US handle it as overextended as we are?
Does China have the military tech to match the US at any level?
Do the Tiwanese have the muscle to last a siege?
Treaties, agreements, detente', the Russians, India? ... What will prevail. Who will side up with whom?
 
It will be the beginning stage of the final battle we're already involved in. There are few "good" outcomes. Even in victory we'll be sorely crippled. A billion is a lot to overcome, even with high-tech weapons.
 
That really depends on wether we would try to land troops on the mainland or exist as a buffer bubble in the ocean with aircover galore and a surface navy they can't match ... but being so close to their mainland, even blase' missles en masse would get through somehow. Their navy is a joke, but they have quite a lot of planes. They would be playing very close to home and with short supply lines.
 
Um no.
Your premise is flawed from the git go!
China won't take Taiwan we'd negotiate it to them ala Hong Kong heh.

Does anyone in their right mind think China would stand a chance against the USA?

How could such a thing play out?
A limited engagement confined to the immediate region?
Or a full on nuclear exchange!

Nah they are not the type of nation to start wars.
And this is a good thing!
As for a billion people who cares?
Except for a tiny fraction of the country that is industrialized it's an agrarian society.
Hell they even are starting to have to fight the Islamic-fascists within their own borders!
 
Winky said:
Nah they are not the type of nation to start wars.
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China is a cyclical country. They start many wars...usually as the victor. How do you think they got so big? We're at the beginning of another "up cycle". They have a surplus of male bodies...new technology thanks to our first Communist President & a couple of scores to settle.

We have superior firepower & training, the have body count & land advantage. Twouldn't be perty.
 
I don't think china has done anything up to this point because they have become addicted to heroin of international hard currency flooding into their borders. We all know that 1/3 of such monies make it to the common slug, 1/3 to the middlemen industries, and 1/3 straight into the pockets of the people that run the show. So long as the communist party leaders happen to be making money hand over fist and living large they aren't going to do jack.

Army? ... Chinas is lackluster... but a gazillion men strong.
Air? lackluster... gazillion men strong.
Navy? joke.
Industry? Lots.
 
Right on the money, Hobie-Wan.
Getting their asses handed to them
then losing their power over their subjects
isn't 'good for business'.
As for their military.
Where would this supposed military conflict be waged?
Oh I forgot the United States of America is going to go to war with China over Taiwan. Yeah

OK how does China stage a successful amphibious invasion when all their ships are at the bottom of the East China Sea?

Sad thing is they wouldn't even enjoy Air Superiority in a combat theater that included their own freaking coastline!

When the U.S. puts 300,000 combat troops on Taiwan I’ll entertain the possibility of a conflict.

I’d sooner believe an American armored thrust into Damascus would be more likely.
 
Such an air superiority shield would take 48 hours just to cram into place as they would have to ferry in from all over. That wouldn't even be with the ground crews or munitions or fuel. That stuff would take a week. A navy would take 2 weeks if the battle groups left positions from the near regions like the Indian Ocean and the Pacific.

They have 6000 aircraft, the largest air force by far in the world... but most of it is outdated crap like the MiG-17, 19, and 21 platforms: http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html Their decent frontline aircraft number roughly 250.

Their navy is 100s of ships but only 50 are considered to be anything useful or modern while Taiwan has about 35.

From what I see, China would have about 10 days to do a full shock invasion and take Taiwan before her allies have a chance to react.
 
Yeah and like we'd never see that coming!
But then again we are drawing down all our
assets in the region.

The price of 'puter stuff sure would spike if Taiwan fell now wouldn't it? heh. Really would the Taiwanese really put up much of a fight if we weren't there to bail them out???

This is a scenario that will never play out.
Peaceful reunification is the most likely outcome.
Doncha think?
 
I don't see reunification until the useless baggage of commumnism is dropped from the mainland. Taiwan was raised on a certain measure of freedom, food, capitalism, and GameBoys. They won't willingly take a step back into the late 50s.
 
Not only will Taiwan fight repatriation, once again we have a reputation to maintain. Our protection umbrella has specific clauses for Taiwan & should we fail to react (or act) in the best interest of an ally, it will look bad on our resume.

I've been concerned about China for a few years now. The possible saving grace is their reluctant yet increasing reliance on capitalism & the populations growing reluctance to stay communist.
 
Oh Fine!

Let's go off onna Krazy tangent and assume some things that will never be...

somehow somewhere in the ruling party of China
it becomes a national imperative that the Island of Taiwan be taken by force. We will also assume that ol Georgie will get religion on this matter and will do everything including a exchange nuclear missiles to preclude the forceful re-unification.

Satellite recon shows a clear move to invade and all of the U.S. government gets behind going to war with China. ALL active aircraft carrier groups are sent steaming towards the East China sea ALL available combat aircraft are ferried into Japan. A coalition of the un-willing is formed, troops from Great Britain, Canada, Eastern block nations and South Korea are flown en mass onto the tiny Island of Taiwan, this action basically causes China to declare war on the entire free world...

Upon deployment the Chinese amphibious invasion fleet is completely decimated by US air and naval assets. China attempts to launch a combined ICMB and submarine nuclear missile strike on mainland America. US hunter killer subs and aircraft kill ALL of the subs with their nukes in their tubes. The missile defense system stops all but three incoming Chinese ICBM missiles; LA, Denver and Portland are turned to glass. There are 35 million casualties in the US. China, well we nuke 750 million human beings out of existence in 4.5 hours.

America is declared the supreme ruler of the planet and any nation that disagrees faces
immediate and total nuclear annihilation.

And everyone lived happily ever after!
 
After the above scenario played out there wouldn't
be a China or a Taiwan. I left out the part about how the Chinese tactical nuclear forces
in the process of attacking the coalition troops on Taiwan basically wiped out the entire nation. Oh and I forgot to mention in the confusion a missile battalion commander of the PLA nuclear command took it upon himself and split his weapons between South Korea and Japan (the rumor is his great-grandma died in the rape of Nanking) destroying every major city in each country. Anyways with the Asian automotive and electronics industries in shambles, the average American blue collar werkin’ Joe found work and the EU enjoyed a period of time when they didn't face competition on the world markets.

A goodtime was had by all!
 
Winky said:
After the above scenario played out there wouldn't
be a China or a Taiwan. I left out the part about how the Chinese tactical nuclear forces
in the process of attacking the coalition troops on Taiwan basically wiped out the entire nation. Oh and I forgot to mention in the confusion a missile battalion commander of the PLA nuclear command took it upon himself and split his weapons between South Korea and Japan (the rumor is his great-grandma died in the rape of Nanking) destroying every major city in each country. Anyways with the Asian automotive and electronics industries in shambles, the average American blue collar werkin’ Joe found work and the EU enjoyed a period of time when they didn't face competition on the world markets.

A goodtime was had by all!
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Until they all started dying from cancer?
 
No actually Ch
The CDC and many other agencies tracked cancer and other diseases that resulted from the three thermonuclear airbursts over LA Denver and Portland. It was later seen that the greatest impact was on the food supply.Dairy land that had fallout and all meat products were an issue. (imported beef and other products were hot items)
Iodine was issued for at risk members of the population. Cesium 137 and Strontium 90 turned out to be as nasty as prior research foretold they would be.

Because the weapons were detonated at heights of about 4500' AGL, fallout was minimized but of course the weapons effectiveness in killing people was maximized. As was believed by studies done years before, most of the injuries were in the form of burns.
(plastic surgery was a real hot business for many years afterward)
It was later determined that the Chinese warheads only generated between 2.6 and 2.8 Megatons of explosive power.
(it was thought they were supposed to be 3.3 MT warheads).

Not to mention the business of replacing all the Nukes we lobbed at the Chicoms, (592)
it was seen as very important that we get the nuke force back up to snuff incase we
needed to wipeout anyone else.

Denver and Portland were able to relocate their rebuilding efforts thereby saving having to decontaminate, in Los Angeles many new techniques were developed to deal with the rather minor radioactive contamination.

An outgrowth of the tens of thousands of people who were blinded by having their retinas burnt by the thermo-nuclear fireballs was an exciting new procedure that also found uses for glaucoma sufferers.

Yes a good time had by all except the 17,256,092 Americans that perished that day.
Oh yeah and their relatives.

Tell ya one thing, the insurance companies breathed a sigh of relief when the Supreme Court upheld that they didn't have to pay a dime in claims. Even the life insurance wasn't paid lol

The Taxpayers had to foot the bill!

Chapter three, the Asian aftermath…
 
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