China/Taiwan

In 1942 half our goods weren't computer driven. We'd be up & running in under a year. we have hardware....in mothballs.
 
In 1942, three quarters of your workforce wasn't union-repping themselves outta work. If the US had to retool and restart production, the wages demands alone would defeat them.
 
Professur said:
In 1942, three quarters of your workforce wasn't union-repping themselves outta work. If the US had to retool and restart production, the wages demands alone would defeat them.
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Two words...Martial Law. Work, or face treason charges and jail time. Simple choice, really. ;)
 
Professur said:
It would never pass.
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If Congress declares war, the President could make it an edict until the war is over. Congress can over-ride it, but declaring war kind-of puts the whole process on the back-burner. Patriotic fervor would take care of the rest...for at least one year.
 
Professur said:
Patriotic fervor??? Have you even seen a newspaper recently? You'd have patrioting in the streets.
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And how long since 9/11? ;) I'm actually surprised it took the slacker generation this long to start acting stupid...and war wasn't even declared this time...
 
unclehobart said:
They have vast weaknesses in their command and control capacity. We can still shroud them with confusion and inability to wield their air power effectively. Without a navy, we can drive right up to their coast... right where 80% of their population is. Their terrain limits passage west. A few dozen key bridges would cut their ability to send tanks and supplies west by half if not more.

Do we think that India and Russia will sit back? They are traditional enemies if not seriously irritated with each other all the time. The muslim middle east and north africa have no love for a country whose inner mandate denies religion altogether.

North Korea would probably take advantage of a general war to make a grab for the south since our ability to react with force there would be seriously diminished.

Japan would probably start spninng up an army posthaste... lord knows their industrial capacity would be a helluva compliment to our own. The only trouble is keeping them supplied with raw materials. This is why China needs a good navy, Hex... to forcibly isolate Japan and Korea from our sphere of influence. They need to be bullied into neutrality.
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I'm sure you probably have a much better grasp of the location of stratigic loacations/weak points in that part of the world so i don't think i can really comment. One point however is that Chinas multi-level air defense network
is based on Russian technology and covers 90% of Chinas coast, urban areas and strategic locations.
This network consists of:
Long-range, high-altitude ADM systems, represented by Russian-made S-300
Mid-range, mid-altitude ADM systems, represented mostly by Russian-made TOR-M1 & KS-1 systems
Short-range, low-altitude systems, represented primarily by Chinese-made copies of the Russian Tunguska missile-artillery system.

So China is prepared for our stealth airpower.

A couple of other points that i believe will be in Chinas favor in such a scenerio.

1: I believe China already has the ability to wreak havoc upon the communication systems of the world and this is by no means limited to the internet although this is where most of the damage would be done. imo the worlds internet would be literally wiped out.

2: I don't believe Russia and the republics would sit it out but rather would side with their old nemisis China. In their view we are the greater of two evils.

Truthfully i don't see any of this happening before the next war in the middle east. China has always been patient.
 
Taiwan is too close to the Mainland. China for sure can do a Blitzkrieg-like operation involving ship-landed and air-lifted units. I would bet taiwan could be completely overran in matter of 3 days. As for South Korea, count them out. They would need all of their efforts to survive an invasion from Norhteners that would take the opportunity FOR SURE. Russia would stand neutral with popcorn, hoping to gather good deals out of it. India? The only possible US ally within this teather beyond Japan and Australia. Anyway, they could be bribed with land devolutions and whatever. Hard to see what would come out of it.
As for Falklands, forget the comparisions. The cricial issue there was the lack of Argentinean Air Force long range capability. Fighter pilots couldn't stand long time combats, because they had to preserve fuel. With Taiwan so close to the border that problem fades away.
And to tell the truth, I don't think taiwanese people would put up much of a fight. If they fell on to Chine's arms tomorrow, no thing would change in the world. Now if you shamble them with a long lasting war...
 
Gato_Solo said:
If Congress declares war, the President could make it an edict until the war is over. Congress can over-ride it, but declaring war kind-of puts the whole process on the back-burner. Patriotic fervor would take care of the rest...for at least one year.
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There is a big difference in Patriotic fervor when Japan attacked Hawaii ,than if China invades Taiwan. Do you really think they(American people) are going to care if they don't get their McDonalds toy.
 
A.B.Normal said:
There is a big difference in Patriotic fervor when Japan attacked Hawaii ,than if China invades Taiwan. Do you really think they(American people) are going to care if they don't get their McDonalds toy.
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It ain't the McDonalds toys. Over 90% of the worlds motherboards are made in Taiwan. Try upgrading if that war starts. ;)
 
Yes, we'd care. Taiwan is an ally. We protect our friends (even when they piss us off)
 
A.B.Normal said:
The administration would care the people would not.
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Until they had to cut back on some of their 'stuff'. Like I said...no upgrades, no new decent cellular phones...no new televisions...there's quite a bit of stuff we buy that has important components that are made in Taiwan. ;)
 
Gato_Solo said:
Until they had to cut back on some of their 'stuff'. Like I said...no upgrades, no new decent cellular phones...no new televisions...there's quite a bit of stuff we buy that has important components that are made in Taiwan. ;)
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And a tonne of stuff in China too,if China were to absoorb Taiwan the imports wouldn't stop ,just the "made in Taiwan " label.A conflict would mean no imports/exports from/to either country .China aslo holds a huge chunk of US debt and could throw the US Economy into a tizzy.
 
I firmly thing that places like Taiwan & Israel mean more to Americans than places like Indonesia. Therre would be a larger outpouring of support if either of the two previous were under the gun than if France needed to be bailed out again.
 
A.B.Normal said:
And a tonne of stuff in China too,if China were to absoorb Taiwan the imports wouldn't stop ,just the "made in Taiwan " label.A conflict would mean no imports/exports from/to either country .China aslo holds a huge chunk of US debt and could throw the US Economy into a tizzy.
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Most of the stuff we get from China isn't as important as you think. We've only recently been trying to build/establish a business relationship there. :shrug: Taiwan has always been more important.
 
Gonz said:
I firmly thing that places like Taiwan & Israel mean more to Americans than places like Indonesia. Therre would be a larger outpouring of support if either of the two previous were under the gun than if France needed to be bailed out again.
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Support maybe ,but putting their boys/girls lives on the line for it ,I don't believe so.There are no costs other than monetary associated with Indonesia ,there are certain to be mass deaths on both sides of a US/China conflict .At 1.2+ Billion the Chinese wouldn't even blink at losing 100million ,how many are the US willing to lose ?
 
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