Damn those American and British warmongers-Kill them all, now

[freako104]

im anti war as ive said but ill admit some are just there to be noticed and to be on the news or whatever. not all though. there are some who really give a shit and dont like the idea of killing in the name of power or oil or whatever but i hate sadam and id rather see him out of power. just not by killing thousands. im antiwar on general purpose since id rather gov'ts not send troops to kill but handle each other(IE negotiations or if they absolutly have to in the ring) but keep the people out of it if they dont support it.

 

[Professur]

Am I the only one that finds it Ironic that the very thing the protestors are doing is allowed because of the military, and because of the rights that we have here. And, that we are trying to get the people of Iraq to have the same freedoms?

Can you imagine what would have happened to a crowd of Saddam protestors in Baghdad a month ago?

Well let's see. On that Barbra special, they were discussing how a 16 year old girl was turned in by her teacher for having written something anti-gov't in her notebook. Didn't specify what she wrote exactly. But that she was arrested, held for a month, beaten daily by guards. Her parents were brought in to witness and were told if they didn't toe the line, she'd be raped.

Personally, I feel that many of the people in those daily mobs supporting Saddam are there because they're afraid of what will happen to their families if they don't.

Personally, that information was the breaking point for me. If you want to threaten a man, that's one thing. But to threaten a man's wife and children ... that's the act of a rabid monster who needs to be put down. And I personally don't care if the innocent soldiers supporting his regime and keeping him in power get hurt. Those self same soldiers who are surrendering in droves are the same one's who lend Saddam the power to comit those attrocities. Probably to protect their own families, ironically enough. I don't care if revenge on Bush's part is his main goal. I don't care if his goal is oil. Or money. Or taming the rampant anti-western mentality.

What I care about is that Daddies all over don't have to worry that their little girls are going to be maimed because someone didn't cross the street at the right time.

 

[Aunty Em]

My sentiments entirely - we in the west have allowed this monster to torture, maim and murder for 30 years, it's about time he was stopped. Anti-war sentiments and containing him in his own country don't protect his own people from him or prevent him from building up arsenals that will eventually threaten us all.

We should be ashamed of our past complacency. Time and time again we have allowed other dictators to do the same, we can no longer ignore the threat that these people pose to world stability with their aquisition of WMDs. We must deal with it. Unfortunately some of those people like Saddam have been dealing with and lying to the ineffective, weak-willed and divided UN for so long that they don't take us seriously when we try to negotiate or make them comply with international law.

Then you have a choice, put your head back in the sand and lose all credibility or do what you said you would. Sadly we've had to make that choice and not everyone has had the backbone to live with it.

 

[samcurry]

i cant really believe some of the stances taken here. We have all been made aware of the atrocities sadaam has done over the years. How many more years do we need to let him do these before its "OK" for someone, infact anyone take him out of power.
And i will be the first to sling it because i basically dont care, but how many of the same No war people treat and think that criminals here or in your own countries should be treated with the same kid gloves you expect the US or any coalition member to treat sadaam? I can guarentee that you would have the criminal within an hour. prosecuted and in jail paying for their crimes. wether or not a police officer took one for the home team wouldnt matter.
but i have no sympathy for that. you do the crime you do the time. wether it be locally or internationally.
It amazes methat we even waste our time helping any country anymore. We are turned on as warmongers and killers.
I really wish there was a way for the US to tell all those types of countries that hey "sorry but your on your own. We want to look PC and i guess if your leader was smart enough to force himself into being your leader and he kills you and your people well.... i wish we could help"

 

[Squiggy]

Sam, I certainly hope that you have pieced together enough of my opinion from the various threads to know that I am NOT pro Saddam. The man is an asshole that deserves to die. He was no less an asshole when we supported him. And we knew it then. If we had no other issues pending, I would support an effort to liberate Iraq . But thats not the premise that put us there. I don't think anyone would have supported this action if Bush had said " By the way, we are going to take a break from pursuing the terrorists so I can liberate Iraq." That should have been down lower on our list of priorities right now. Lets get our own freedoms reinstated first.

 

[Gonz]

Tell me Squiggy, now that we have a new spin, why isn't saddam a war on terrorism target? He supports terrorism ($25,00. cash to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers) & there are links to current Al Qieda in his country. He's not Usama's best bud, let there be no mistake, but he is a supporter of terrorism. That's a nice 727 in his backyard-for "security training". He's a long time problem that happens to be expediant at the moment.

 

[Squiggy]

Tell me Gonz, where was your outrage when we were supporting this asshole in the first place. You've labled me an 'America sucks' element. Simply because I prefer that we seek solutions for our own problems first. Consider the list of those we've 'supported' in the recent past and then sit and wonder why we find ourselves in the middle of all this shit.
As for the question, We have a game in play and you want to take on the oppositions fans. Why are YOU so content with us kissing the asses of the fuckers who are directly responsible for 9/11? The proof of SA's complicity is hard and clear. Not a supposition. But like all issues, you won't bother learning the facts until its too late to change the course of action.

 

[samcurry]

squiggs i know where your stand is and i respect it. Its some of the others that i am compelled to feel ashamed for them.
I now wonder what their stand is now that sadaam has broken geneva laws? first showing POW's and now showing them after he had them killed.
I say now that the kiddie gloves should be dropped and we go in and make a glass factory out of them.
Sadaams whole regime is nothing but elite mercernaries. They are either paid to do the horrendious acts or forced to. the forced ones are the ones surrendering.Then we see where he had his own people forced to stay in bagdad not allowed to leave unless they want to be shot in the back by the cowards he has on his payroll.
HMMMMM..... kinda reminds me of the old days organized crime.
But hey they have a right to live like this. right, we should only be sending money and food to them, not trying to liberate them from the piece of trash thats prolly gonna have them gunned down for not "voting" him into office.

Come on, how much do you really have to see before you decide he does need to be taken out of power?
It is a very sad day for a few to call themselves humanitarian people.
The one thing squiggs is that even if we did place it on our lower priorties, we would have still ended up as the main force that was pulled in by the UN to fix a problem that they have proved for over 15 years they cannot fix. The UN has been a joke for so long now that no countries that support terrorist take them serious.

 

[Squiggy]

Sam, we're there and I give my full suppport to our forces to get the job done. I am not one to stand here and plead for it to stop. Once we commit, the discussion is moot and there is work to be done. Keep in mind, however that we set the precedent by showing Iraqi prisoners first. Of course, we didn't kill them afterwards....

 

[Gonz]

You've labled me an 'America sucks' element.

No, I haven't. Look at the public protests in NYC or DC yesterday. I label about 75% of them that way, though.

If you want to argue SA, fine..go here

I want to know why Iraq is not a part of the war on terrorism

 

[Squiggy]

You can call them whatever you want. I view them as 'fans' of terrorism. And I don't believe we should be taking them on until we've dealt with the actual terrorists.

 

[samcurry]

I know you do squiggs. And im glad of that.
And your right i did miss that part and i stand corrected.(that we did show the people running to our guys with cameras with white flags surrendering.) That is the main problem i see with doing the media a favor and letting them go in with us. there are things that are going to happen that shouldnt.
butwhat they have done now show that once you go beyond the forced army sadaam has the rest are trash and its time to take the trash out. these now are inhuman dogs that know that once we reach bagdad they will either die for their unjust cause or will be held accountable for the attrocius things they have done.
And i am very serious that i truly think we need to just tell all these countries that want our food money and support, but then turn on us for trying to help others that are in need, they should be cut off from all support and left to fend for themselves.
It reminds me of situational ethics. if it helps them then its ok but if its not in their best interest then its wrong.
Plus maybe if we did this we could feed and cloth our own homeless and starving people in our own country.

 

[flavio]

I say now that the kiddie gloves should be dropped and we go in and make a glass factory out of them.

It is a very sad day for a few to call themselves humanitarian people.

This humanitarian concept of making a glass factory out of them is pretty interesting.

 

[samcurry]

If they were humans in bagdad then it would be different flav, my god man they have written human shields on their fucking buildings, but in your eyes i guess its ok for sadaam to do this?

 

[flavio]

they have written human shields on their fucking buildings,

I don't understand what you mean by that.

Bhagdad is an awfully big city not to have any humans in it though.

 

[samcurry]

You know i was gonna stay out of posting anything, because it is very emotional times for us all. wether we think the war is right or not. We are in it. its not a pretty thing, that any of us should ever have to go thru.
Plus its not something i believe we should be arguing and fighting with eachother about.
Do i agree with the war? NO. do i stand behind our govt. when they decided it was time for us to do this? HELL YES....
The only thing left to do IS SUPPORT OUR troops( which by the way are friends, family of alot of us here)
Lets just pray that this time we dont give into the bleeding hearts like we have in the past and not finish the job we started.
That all the deaths that have happened are not in vain to appease the minority that say we should leave and be done with it all.
With that this is my last post on this.

 

[flavio]

The only thing left to do IS SUPPORT OUR troops( which by the way are friends, family of alot of us here)

Yes, I hope none of them get killed or do any killing.

 

[freako104]

Tell me Squiggy, now that we have a new spin, why isn't saddam a war on terrorism target? He supports terrorism ($25,00. cash to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers) & there are links to current Al Qieda in his country. He's not Usama's best bud,

arent they allies though?????? and to squigs post on us supporting sadam when was that? i was in 6th grade during desert storm so i knew as much as any 10 year old. i thought after Polpot america decided not to support dictators who violate human rights??

Yes, I hope none of them get killed or do any killing.

hope all you want it wont happen that way and im sorry but this is war and people die in war. hell im worried about those pows from this morning.




and i support our troops they fight for our freedom but not our gov't. they soliders are doing their job the gov't as ive been seeing it only want power and oil. im not a supporter of bush and though i hate him i will support sadam out of power. plaease dont mistake anti war for pro sadam. im agaist both and squggy i think has stated he feels the same.

 

[Gonz]

arent they allies though??????

Freak, Palestine isn't a country, it's a section of land scattered around Israel. They had their chance in 1948 & didn't want a country. They still don't. They want Israel.

 

[Squiggy]

Damn Gonz... ...Why don't you put a twist on it or something?

They want what they feel is their land which was given to Israel.