thanks for clairfying gonz it had me confused. and im not sure about suig but i never did nor do i think your stupid by any means(that should be obvious) squig in terms of your argument the native americans from what i understand were willing to share this land with us before we took it so that should hit your arguemnt as Israel is Jewish territory as is Palestine although as gonz has reitierated there isnt one but the section of land is Jewish land.