Death by stoning?!
- Thread starter Leslie
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I think you said quite a bit here, LL.
As far as absolute truths go, yes, it varies by culture. What the ancient Babylonians did to their infants was horrible, disgusting infantcide. However, at the time, it was what they felt was the right thing to do, obviously to the point that people were willing to give up their own children for the cause.
Hitler was a very popular man in pre-war Germany, and spoke some things that many of the people had been wanting to hear for quite some time. He gave speeches that lasted up to 12 hours long, with a crowd that was enthralled the entire time. Does that make him wrong? At the time, and in that culture, he was exactly what they wanted. Had the people known his real plan of destroying millions of people, I tend to think he would not have had the support that he did. Then again, maybe he would have.
Scanty, you don't know how much I absolutely love that statement. Sums up my beliefs completely.
Now to go ON-TOPIC, I know, I know.
Death by stoning is horrible. It is painful, degrading, merciless, and disgusting to me. However, if that is the culture, that is the culture. I do not have a right to tell these people that what they are doing is wrong, even if I believe with all my heart that it is wrong. Why? Because I could be wrong. If I was a part of that culture, and I felt it was wrong, then, depending on the culture, I may have a right to stand up and say that what they are doing is wrong, but then again, depending on the culture, I may not.
Don't know if I made my point or not, truths are not absolute. They are relative to each and every situation, culture, even individual.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
For what it's worth...There are no ways to humanely execute a person. Stoning, lethal injection, hanging, firing squad, electrocution, drowning, suffocating, etc... all have the same end result. The person is dead. There is the meat of the subject. The only thing I can think to say is this...If a person is convicted of a crime, and that crime carries a penalty of death, then how they die is not as important as why they are dead. The only 'good' thing about lethal injection is that it's still possible to 'harvest' any organs that may be useful to someone who actually deserves to live.
ris
New Member
more pertitent to hitler and common with other dictators is that the original 1933 election that saw him to power was sullied by numerous attacks by the national socialists to undermine and discredit the opposition. the election was therefore unfair and could not represent democracy.
in turn, opposition parties were then banned, so majority view could no longer be represented or reflected.
in terms of the second world war the piece of history i seek to learn from are those that lead up to 1933, in particular the war reparations set in 1919 that bankrupted and humiliated the german nation so that its people felt no choice but to turn to extremist views.
in turn, opposition parties were then banned, so majority view could no longer be represented or reflected.
in terms of the second world war the piece of history i seek to learn from are those that lead up to 1933, in particular the war reparations set in 1919 that bankrupted and humiliated the german nation so that its people felt no choice but to turn to extremist views.
freako104
Well-Known Member
greenfreak, i want to tell you that the man probly wont cause many if not most religions tend to be chavanistic and in some cases even misogynistic. so the man probly wont which to me doesnt make sense cause he is jsut as guilty as the woman(in their eyes however i see nothing wrong with what she did because my understanding was that she is divorced). now i am all for the death penalty i admit that but to kill someone for sex? damn i will be killed. well im fucked(not to be taken literally). and LL you have been a bit offensive to me as well although i do agree with what you said for the most part, realise that firing squads and hanging can cause suffering(yes i know im a hypocrite cause anyone who read the thread on the death penalty will see how i feel about rapists and murderers). and i dont believe in absolute truths as i feel truth is subjective as were all the views on this thread. justin, i do agree extremists suck but i didnt like when you said Islam blows. one of my best friends on campus is Muslim and he felt just as shitty about anyone innocent dying for nothing. and i do agree extremists suck but to nuke them would also kill off innocent people. it also lowers you to their level if you want to kill them that badly(as i said i hate them but if they didnt kill anyone then its not justified).
Professur
Well-Known Member
Time for my two logs.
First off, she knew the rules. She broke them. Period. Regardless of the form of punishment, she knew what she had coming. She could have waited. She could have gotten married. She could have just kept her legs shut. She didn't. I have no sympathy.
Second. I like the idea of stoning. Yeah, it's hella painful. Isn't that the point? They're not just getting someone out of society, they're punishing them. And in a form that will deter others. As opposed to what we do, send them to Club Fed, where they're better looked after than our poor.
Last, I'm hearing a lot of crap about nuking muslims, and shit like that. Get real. Last year, a black man was dragged behind a pickup by good, God fearing Christians in the US. Don't let the media play you so easily.
First off, she knew the rules. She broke them. Period. Regardless of the form of punishment, she knew what she had coming. She could have waited. She could have gotten married. She could have just kept her legs shut. She didn't. I have no sympathy.
Second. I like the idea of stoning. Yeah, it's hella painful. Isn't that the point? They're not just getting someone out of society, they're punishing them. And in a form that will deter others. As opposed to what we do, send them to Club Fed, where they're better looked after than our poor.
Last, I'm hearing a lot of crap about nuking muslims, and shit like that. Get real. Last year, a black man was dragged behind a pickup by good, God fearing Christians in the US. Don't let the media play you so easily.
freako104
Well-Known Member
LastLegionary said:
its cool it was more how you didnt seem to care whether or not(unless im misreading some quotes) she was guilty that she deserved to die kind of thing. as you know i am for the death penalty in deserving cases. prof she may have known the rules and in their eyes sinned but stoning is a cruel and awful way of dying. thats no justification for that. gato what i meant by my last statement about the chauvanism and such wasnt for the penalty being different rather it seems easier for the male to get away with the sin(or so it would seem as men in religions are usually more respected than the women) thats what i was getting at although in Muslim and Chrsitian religions you are right that the punishment is the samen for men and women although its easier for a woman to be made guilty thats what i was getting at.
The Other One
Banned
"Lawal's case had become the focus of human rights groups around the world who were outraged at the sentence that Lawal should be buried up to her neck and then have stones thrown at her head until she was dead."
Exactly the sentence this poor woman received:
Exactly the sentence this poor woman received:
ekahs retsam
New Member
the real question becomes who throws the stones....
if you refuse to throw the stone is it a form of civic disobedience?
captal punishment becomes much more personal when you have that rock in your hands.
if you refuse to throw the stone is it a form of civic disobedience?
captal punishment becomes much more personal when you have that rock in your hands.
