France and Germany

Coffee Bean said:
flavio said:
Coffee Bean said:
Good debate! Thanks for playing, I've said my piece. :)
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So you come in here and spout off a bunch of crap without a single thing to back up what you say and then run away when a couple facts come into the conversation?

You're pretty pathetic aren't you?
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WTF?

I congratulated you on a good debate and I didn't feel a need to go back and forth!

WHATEVER!
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Ignore flavio :D Has has a habit of letting his ignorance get in the way of his education. All the time. :D
 
Of course I'm as guilty as the next man and am probably in the top 10 list for being a grumble-gus. We all learned to take each other in stride over time regardless of the rant style. Just go with the flow and feel each other out for weakness to figure out just how much play you have to give that dog chain before you yank it back.
 
^^ Thats an example. Who among us hasn't built up a Jerrek callus to the point that he can say anything and not get a rise for the effort?
 
I like a good argument as much as anyone, but when it starts getting personal, we really need to step back and decide if it's worth it or not. Lunging forward into everything you disagree with is not always the best route. Personal Insults are never the best route.
 
unclehobart said:
Who among us hasn't built up a Jerrek callus to the point that he can say anything and not get a rise for the effort?
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Jerrek? Jerrek who?
 
I'll consider this...

Flavio believes that war is not the right thing to do at this time. Whether it becomes necessary in the future or not, he hasn't decided, and wants something concrete to go on before making up his mind. I can respect that. I may not agree, but I can respect his reasoning. However, what has not been said by either person in the above debacle is just as important as what has been disagreed upon. When does a war actually become the only choice? If the European powers had declared war on Germany when Hitler got elected, or the day after Kristalnacht, would the world be different today? I say yes. Timing, as we all know, is everything. Regardless of what the consequences are in the here and now, they could be much worse later. So when does the time become 'right'? When your neighbor, who has sworn to upset your applecart, starts bombing your house, or when you see him send of for the weapons?

Discuss...
 
unclehobart said:
You could also have taken it in the guise of a simple Op/Ed opinion where he was venting personal opionion on the matter. Personal opionion requires only circumspect levels of proof .. and only require circumspect acceptance on behalf of the audience. Debate is a possible outcome .. albiet rare. It it doesn't happen it is better to just let it go rather than fight over a meatless bone. Tempers are flaring and it would be best if everyone would take a breather and not come back until the knives get put away.
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Sure, if it is presented as a personal theory or "hunch" may be the appropriate word, then the need of proof is certainly lessened and discussion could be entirely different.

The original post was chock full accusations and slanderous insults that seemed to be presented as truth. Maybe "flamebait" is the proper term?
 
flavio said:
They don't support war for much of the same reasons half of the US citizens don't support it. They believe that there are still alternatives at the moment to large scale killing.
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France doesn't support war right now out of their own selfish interests.

Half of US citizens will always believe there is an alternative to war until the bombs actually start dropping. No amount of proof will ever change that fact. Those who can think intelligently and rationally will continue to make informed decisions on their behalf. That's how our republic works.

I find it ironic that the same liberals who don't want to do anything until after Saddam kills thousands are the same ones who want to take a gun from my hand before I even point it at someone.
 
outside looking in said:
flavio said:
They don't support war for much of the same reasons half of the US citizens don't support it. They believe that there are still alternatives at the moment to large scale killing.
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France doesn't support war right now out of their own selfish interests.

Half of US citizens will always believe there is an alternative to war until the bombs actually start dropping. No amount of proof will ever change that fact. Those who can think intelligently and rationally will continue to make informed decisions on their behalf. That's how our republic works.

I find it ironic that the same liberals who don't want to do anything until after Saddam kills thousands are the same ones who want to take a gun from my hand before I even point it at someone.
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Are you just trying to give some more examples of baseless flamebait? I'd say you did a fair job.
 
Ok Flav, Timeout.

When you say something, it is the absolute truth, no doubt about it, but if anyone disagrees with you, they are just baiting you? hmmmm.
 
PuterTutor said:
Ok Flav, Timeout.

When you say something, it is the absolute truth, no doubt about it, but if anyone disagrees with you, they are just baiting you? hmmmm.
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No. Disagreeing is one thing and posting insults, unfounded, accusations, and inflammatory statements is another.

Gonz and Gato disagree. What OLI and Bean post is flamebait.
 
I thought flav did an admirable job in his attempt to extract some basis for the original post. Why is everyone attacking him?
 
Yeah, I used the word "psycho" after her fifth or sixth post of name calling. And realized I was just doing what she wanted.

It's pretty evident she's got a problem with the sbject matter, and is unable to handle adversity.

That's why I tried to graciously back out.
 
Yeah, Bean, if you got something to say, don't edit it out. That's not cool either.

I'm just thinking that some of us are getting overly heated on some of these issues, that's all. It's a serious topic, surely, but not worth the insults and such that has been flying around here lately. Can we not agree to disagree on this topic? It's not really such a hard thing to do.
 
I did...you saw me try and get out of the conversation with her. She just kept trolling.

I edited out the word psycho 6 minutes after posting...not like an hour later if that's what Squiggy is implying.

Anway, for the 14th time in this thread: I am done. :)
 
Well, ok. But 6 minutes can be quite awhile too, especially here, there could be ten new posts in a thread in that amount of time, and if you go back and edit it out, it makes it very difficult for the rest of us to see where it went. MmmmK?
 
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