AlladinSane
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He is not her. It's only his avatar that is of a girl
France and Germany
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Coffee Bean
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PT...10-4. That was wrong of me...
flavio
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Coffee Bean said:
Ok, now you accuse ME of trolling, that's a little too much now.
Let's look at the wording you used before you decided to run off because you couldn't back up anything you said.
Now, the entire time you were using phrases like the above I calmly just asked for you to substantiate any of it until you finally decided to "bow out" when you couldn't.
Now tell me again...who was trolling?
outside looking in
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flavio said:
Baseless - I think I've covered in detail elsewhere exactly why I think France is pushing against military action, and why I think it is for selfish reasons. In short, they have a huge vested interest in Iraqi oil. I also expect France to abruptly switch sides as soon as it is obvious that their "former" deals with Saddam are worthless, and that they must join the coalition to retain any hope of future deals. I think that's a decent base to work from. Do I have to repeat myself in entirety every time I make a comment? Sheesh.
Flamebait - I stated how a republic works. We are a republic. Most of the population is ignorant of the majority of relevant facts (myself included). This isn't an insult, it's a fact of life. I form my opinions from the limited information available, as do you. In the end, our elected representatives, who have access to the relevant information, will be in a much better position to make an informed (and correct) decision than either of us. I fail to see how stating this simple truth is insulting. Further, stating this was directly relevant to your mentioning of how so much of the population doesn't fully support war (which I find to be erroneous in any case). My counter statement illustrates why such a statistic is essentially devoid of meaning. Of course people would prefer an alternative, and without all the facts available to them they will assume that there is one. I mean, there has to be, right?
As for my last comment, it was off topic but something I felt like saying. I do find it ironic that some people always lean towards "peace" when in fact the reality is that they are completely hypocritical due to the contextual circumstances. You can't live your life by such simplistic rules and expect not to be... our civilization is just more complex than that. It was a statement that struck me as worthy of reflection, and if you find that to be insulting, tough cookies.
flavio
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outside looking in said:
Conjecture.
Historically false.
the pro war people?
"their" meaning people against war?
Ummnnnn.....no.
The use of the word "liberal" to mean anyone who doesn't agree with you is classic flamebait.
who said they would like to not do anything until Saddam kills thousands? Flamebait.
Flamebait. I would like to hold off on war at the moment but am all for personal gun ownership. In fact I believe you would probably find a slew of gun owners in the 59% of the US that would like to see UN support before we jump into war.
Now if you don't like my assessment of this as flamebait then tough cookies. I think it's pretty obvious.
outside looking in
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Opinion. Backed by decades of evidence. Do I have to post a book each time I wish to voice my opinion? Get over yourself.flavio said:
Figure of speech. Interpreted to mean that most sane people would always prefer not to go to war, until it seems to be the only viable option left. Without detailed intelligence, other options always appear viable to the general population long after they ceased to be viable to those who have access to said intelligence. Thus, the general population tends to only favor going to war when the evidence is obvious and abundant (i.e., figurative bombs dropping).
If you're going to take everything I say out of context and pick it apart, this is going to get very tiring.
Our elected officials. Hopefully elected because we believe they can think intelligently and rationally. Or, do you vote based on who's hair style you prefer? (yes, that was a jab, in case it wasn't clear).
"Their" meaning the general population.
Um.... I think you need to do some basic reading. The power of a republic lies in a body of citizens who elect representatives who are responsible to them. These representatives make many decisions on the behalf of the population. In some cases, these representatives have access to information the general population does not. The general population need not agree with all the decisions made by the representatives. Republic. That's precisely how ours works, and that's precisely what I stated previously.
Is it not liberals who push for gun control? Where in my statement did I use "liberal" in the context of "those who don't agree with me?" I used it explicitly in the context of "those who push for gun control." Or, is there some politically correct term for "liberal" that I should have known to use to express my opinion? You're getting your feathers ruffled over nothing.
Yes, that was a sweeping generalization that I should not have made. Not all liberals are in favor of "passive solutions" just as not all conservatives are in favor of military action. Had I simply inserted the word 'many' ("I find it ironic that many of the same liberals...") it would have been more accurate. That simple omission was just that however... an omission, not an intended flamebait. Again, you're getting your feathers ruffled over nothing.
See above.
I think it's pretty obvious that any opinion you don't agree with is flamebait to you. You have posted your opinion in the past, but when someone else does the same you call it baseless conjecture (as if your opinion had the support of mountains of historical evidence... sheesh).
Disagree with my opinion all you like, and by all means offer some intelligent counter arguments - you may tell me something I wasn't previously aware of - but don't spout off that I'm posting my opinion just to piss off you or others. I post my opinion because it's what I believe, and if that pisses you off then it's an unfortunate side effect, but ultimately your problem.
flavio
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OLI said:
I think when you put the whole paragraph back together it's hard to see how this was meant to be "elected officials" and "general populace".
But if you don't like it when I point out flamebait it's ultimately your own problem.
You also generalized that people that don't want to invade at the moment would like to see thousands killed before any action is taken. This is flamebait.
Coffee Bean
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It was an opinion. The only problem is your inability to see the difference.
Coffee Bean
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So what if I did?? You've been here all fucking day worrying about it?
What do you need to happen here? what needs to be said to make flavio happy? Name and you'll get it. Anything to get you to stop harassing people.
What do you need to happen here? what needs to be said to make flavio happy? Name and you'll get it. Anything to get you to stop harassing people.
Coffee Bean
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Copying what other people say, but simply inserting their names into it.
The last, desperate attempt if an internet TROLL to keep the bait going.
See you around troll. You get the last word.
The last, desperate attempt if an internet TROLL to keep the bait going.
See you around troll. You get the last word.
This is good. Many (most?) of us know flavio is against the war right now. I've tried my hardest to get him to say when would be a good time, to no avail. CB is relatively new to the RL & will find out where all stand rather quickly. OSLI has great points that are not easy to back up but are understood in a historical reference. You know that flavio so relax. Squiggy, I'm tired of agreeing with you over everything but the important stuff 
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We need to play a game. Everybody switch. Discuss this topic as though you believed opposite of what is true to you, just to see the outcome.
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Squiggy said:
We need to play a game. Everybody switch. Discuss this topic as though you believed opposite of what is true to you, just to see the outcome.