Global warming, global cooling

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jimpeel said:
Here we go again.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,485048,00.html

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Quick Hexploit! GET OUTTA THERE!!!
 
Professur said:
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The reason it is irreversible is because we cannot undo what we did not cause in the first place. The climate is bigger than any, or all, of us.

If the order went out tomorrow that all people on Earth were to destroy the earth we could but destroy ourselves. The Earth would go on just fine without us. There are those who wish just that -- the total destruction of the human race -- to "save" the Earth.
 
jimpeel said:
The reason it is irreversible is because we cannot undo what we did not cause in the first place. The climate is bigger than any, or all, of us.
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Not true.

If the order went out tomorrow that all people on Earth were to destroy the earth we could but destroy ourselves.
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No, we could detroy it's ability to sustain all sorts of life.
 
I'm somewhat of an environmentalist, but my concern is more with
solid waste.
Anybody remember the old commercial about trash with the indian shedding a tear?
That's my mentality on it.
It doesn't cost anything to pickup trash when you see it, and keep us clean.
 
*blink*

you mean there are people out there who still believe in manmade global warming? for goodness sake, dont tell them about the tooth fairy
 
spike said:
Not too hard really. We could wipe out tons of species and really screw things up for the rest of them easily.
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Sure we could ... and nature will refill those slots within a few generations with more adaptive species ... just like it's done for three and a half billion years.

Anyone catch Discovery's Project Earth - Brighter world? That fucker Salter's right in the middle with his hand out for money ... after polluting more in half an hour than most factories do in a day. Real fucking winner, that guy.
 
Czech president Vaclav Klaus openly attacked Al Gore's fraudulent global warming scam.

Czech president attacks Al Gore's climate campaign
Jan 31 05:07 PM US/Eastern

Czech President Vaclav Klaus took aim at climate change campaigner Al Gore on Saturday in Davos in a frontal attack on the science of global warming.

"I don't think that there is any global warming," said the 67-year-old liberal, whose country holds the rotating presidency of the European Union. "I don't see the statistical data for that."

Referring to the former US vice president, who attended Davos this year, he added: "I'm very sorry that some people like Al Gore are not ready to listen to the competing theories. I do listen to them.

"Environmentalism and the global warming alarmism is challenging our freedom. Al Gore is an important person in this movement."

Speaking on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum, he said that he was more worried about the reaction to the perceived dangers than the consequences.

"I'm afraid that the current crisis will be misused for radically constraining the functioning of the markets and market economy all around the world," he said.

"I'm more afraid of the consequences of the crisis than the crisis itself."

Klaus makes no secret of his climate change scepticism -- he is also a fierce critic of the European Union -- and has branded the world's top panel of climate experts, the UN's IPCC, a smug monopoly.

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Professur said:
Sure we could ... and nature will refill those slots within a few generations with more adaptive species ... just like it's done for three and a half billion years.
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Umm... takes a lot more than a few generations but the point is valid. Global warming was a marketing ploy, climate change is inevitable (as are extinctions).

Not that it's be a bad idea to try to ameliorate the effects (if possible) but somehow I doubt that buying "carbon indugences" from the holy church of Al Gore and his disciples is likely to change anything at all except his net worth. Alternative energy, OTOH, makes sense on a lot of other levels but the price is going to have to become competitive for it to be feasible.
 
It seems that the Earth wants some shade.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090202/D9635SB01.html

Volcano erupts near Tokyo raining ash down on city

Feb 1, 9:40 PM (ET)

TOKYO (AP) - A volcano erupted near Tokyo early Monday, spewing a plume of smoke more than a mile (1.6 kilometers) high and raining ash down on parts of the city. There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage.

Mount Asama, about 90 miles (145 kilometers) northwest of Tokyo, erupted at 1:51 am (0451 GMT) Monday, according to Japan's Meteorological Agency. Chunks of rock from the explosion were found about 3,300 feet (1,000 meters) away from the volcano.

The agency said volcanic ash fell on nearby areas as well as parts of Tokyo. TV reports showed neighborhoods sprinkled with white flakes.

An alert level of three, which urges nearby residents to take caution, was kept in place for a 2.5 mile (4 kilometer) radius. Alert level four advises residents to prepare for evacuation, while level five, the highest, orders evacuation, according to the agency.

The last major eruption of Mount Asamo took place in September 2004, the agency said.

With 108 active volcanos, Japan is among the most seismically busy countries in the world. The country lies in the "Ring of Fire" - a series of volcanoes and fault lines that outline the Pacific Ocean.
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In the meantime, back on the ranch in Alaska ...

Oh, oh. The glaciers are melting! The glaciers are melting!

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090201/D962KB401.html

Scientist see holes in glacier at Alaska volcano

Feb 1, 1:43 AM (ET)

By DAN JOLING

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Geologists monitoring Mount Redoubt for signs of a possible eruption noticed that a hole in the glacier clinging to the north side of the volcano had doubled in size overnight - and now spans the length of two football fields.

Scientists with the Alaska Volcano Observatory on Friday flew close to Drift Glacier and spotted vigorous steam emitted from a hole on the mountain. By Saturday, they had confirmed the area was a fumarole, an opening in the earth that emits gases and steam, that was increasing in size at an alarming rate.

They also saw water streaming down the glacier, indicating heat from magma is reaching higher elevations of the mountain.

"The glacier is sort of falling apart in the upper part," research geologist Kristi Wallace said.

The signs of heat add to concerns that an eruption is near, which could send an ash cloud about 100 miles northeast toward Anchorage, the state's largest city, or onto communities on the Kenai Peninsula, which is even closer to the mountain on the west side of Cook Inlet. It would be the first eruption since 1990.

Particulate released during an eruption has jagged edges and can injure skin, eyes and breathing passages, especially in young children, the elderly and people with respiratory problems.

It can also foul engines. An eruption in December 1989 sent out an ash cloud 150 miles that flamed out the jet engines of a KLM flight carrying 231 passengers on its way to Anchorage. The jet dropped more than two miles before pilots were able to restart the engines and land safely.

A week ago, the observatory detected a sharp increase in earthquake activity below the volcano and upgraded its alert level to orange, the stage just before full eruption. The warning that an eruption was imminent caused a rush on dust masks and car air filters in Anchorage.

Alaska's volcanoes typically start with an explosion that can shoot ash 50,000 feet high and into the jet stream, but there are warning signs because magma causes small earthquakes as it moves.

Geologist Jennifer Adleman said the observatory has been recording quakes up to magnitude 2.1 but not at the frequency that preceded the last two eruptions in 1989 and 1990.

"We're looking for an increase of seismicity to match the precursor activity," Wallace said. "We haven't seen that yet."
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I'll see your news magazine survey and raise you one rocket scientist

I'm a sceptic now, says ex-NASA climate boss


Hansen supervisor takes aim at thermageddon

By Andrew Orlowski • Get more from this author

Posted in Environment, 28th January 2009 14:18 GMT


The retired scientist formerly in charge of key NASA climate programs has come out as a sceptic.

Dr John Theon, who supervised James Hansen - the activist-scientist who helped give the manmade global warming hypothesis centre prominent media attention - repents at length in a published letter. Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009, and excerpts were published by skeptic Senator Inhofe's office here last night.

"As Chief of several of NASA Headquarters’ programs (1982-94), an SES position, I was responsible for all weather and climate research in the entire agency, including the research work by James Hansen, Roy Spencer, Joanne Simpson, and several hundred other scientists at NASA field centers, in academia, and in the private sector who worked on climate research," Theon wrote. "I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made.”

Theon takes aim at the models, and implicitly criticises Hansen for revising to the data set:

“My own belief concerning anthropogenic climate change is that the models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit. Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it.

"They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists. This is clearly contrary to how science should be done. Thus there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy.”

Hansen is in charge of the GISS data set, derived from readings published by NOAA. The GISS adjustment have received criticism (a potted summary here) for revising the historic record in an upward direction - and making undocumented and unexplained revisions.

Theon also takes issue with Hansen's claim that he was suppressed by NASA officialdom, and states that the science didn't support Hansen's increasingly apocalyptic warnings of an imminent thermageddon.

“Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated NASA's official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind's effect on it). Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress."

Hansen has called for energy industry executives to be jailed for dissenting from the man-made warming hypothesis. ®

Update: The EPW Minority office has published Theon's correspondence in full, including his resume. In a 37-year career at NASA, his titles included Chief of the Atmospheric Dynamics, Radiation, & Hydrology Branch followed by a stint as Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA HQ.
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