hardly surprising...

[Gonz]

Re: Easily surprised...

Heya Gonz can you imagine how these folks will squeal when the terrorists hit us again and GWB takes decisive action?
Of course guys like us will prolly just punch em' in the schnozzle then!

They will ask why we didn't do more.

 

[Winky]

Didn't they already try that one?
Why yes they did!
Yup GWB will be to blame not the terrorists,
yuppers that sounds mighty familiar now don't it?

Well between this terrible economy, raging unemployment
the destruction of personal privacy as wrought by the Patriot act the debacle in Iraq and all the other talking points war cries of the Left WTF WILL they whine about after November Fifth when ol Georgie whips ol candle face by a landslide?

Hey I heard that sound bite of Clit-on responding to Dan Rathers question:

Dan: Why'd ya Plook a porky intern in the Oval Orifice?
Billy: "because I could"

Priceless flippin' priceless!!

 

[Shadowfax]

Well, AB, you proved what I didn't recall. Although, looking at the date of the speech (Oct 7, '02) I believe it's one of the few times he used al qaeda as a scare tactic. Live & learn.

even WHEN somebody proves you wrong, you still try to twist your own words, so that it seems you were right after all.
if somebody else is wrong, it's a huge deal and you can't emphasize enough, but if that happens to you, all of the sudden it wasn't that important


there is just no point in arguing with people like you; you just live in your own little world, regardless of what other people say and think. just shove it you know where. oh blah blah, personal attack.

sue me.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Bush never said the iraq was directly involved in 9/11, he did say they supported terrorism.

"You are either with us or you are aginst us".


meanwhile, back at the bat cave. . .

Russian intelligence agents shared information with their American counterparts in 2002 that Iraqi secret services were organizing terrorist attacks against U.S. facilities outside the United States, Interfax quoted an unidentified intelligence agent as saying Thursday.

Source from yet another rightwing props-0-ganda machine

Don't you hate unidentified sources.

 

[AlladinSane]

Can you show me absolute proof positive that OBL is the one responsible for 9/11 and that he is not just utilizing the incident and taking credit for it to further his cause?

As I recall he never took credit. Or did I miss something?

 

[catocom]

It may be 50 years before the 'top secret' documentation is released,
so more of the whole truth can be known on a lot of this crap.....
(and then again, it may never 'really' be disclosed. ...note JFK)

 

[Gonz]

even WHEN somebody proves you wrong, you still try to twist your own words, so that it seems you were right after all.
if somebody else is wrong, it's a huge deal and you can't emphasize enough, but if that happens to you, all of the sudden it wasn't that important


there is just no point in arguing with people like you; you just live in your own little world, regardless of what other people say and think. just shove it you know where. oh blah blah, personal attack.

sue me.

Well damn Shadow. AB found something that I didn't think existed, I admitted as much & gave a brief explanation as to why I thought that way. It looks to me people like you are the ones with the problem. Not being able to grasp reasoning. That is, I suppose, my main complaint.

 

[Gonz]

I have no more faith in this than the threads opening since Jamie is still involved but I had to post it because, well, I like good news.

WASHINGTON, June 20 (UPI) -- The commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks has received new information indicating that a senior officer in an elite unit of the security services of deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein may have been a member of al-Qaida involved in the planning of the suicide hijackings, panel members said Sunday.

John F. Lehman, a Reagan-era GOP defense official told NBC's "Meet the Press" that documents captured in Iraq "indicate that there is at least one officer of Saddam's Fedayeen, a lieutenant colonel, who was a very prominent member of al Qaida."

UPI

 

[Gonz]

2 consecutive nights...2 consecutive missed memo's at the NY Times....2 consecutive stories going against the grain. I'd suggest everybody evacuate the NY Times building, something's gonna blow.

WASHINGTON — "Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie" went the Times headline. "Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed" front-paged The Washington Post. The A.P. led with the thrilling words "Bluntly contradicting the Bush Administration, the commission. . . ." This understandably caused my editorial-page colleagues to draw the conclusion that "there was never any evidence of a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. . . ."

All wrong. The basis for the hoo-ha was not a judgment of the panel of commissioners appointed to investigate the 9/11 attacks. As reporters noted below the headlines, it was an interim report of the commission's runaway staff, headed by the ex-N.S.C. aide Philip Zelikow. After Vice President Dick Cheney's outraged objection, the staff's sweeping conclusion was soon disavowed by both commission chairman Tom Kean and vice chairman Lee Hamilton.

"Were there contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq?" Kean asked himself. "Yes . . . no question." Hamilton joined in: "The vice president is saying, I think, that there were connections . . . we don't disagree with that" — just "no credible evidence" of Iraqi cooperation in the 9/11 attack.

NY Times

 

[The Other One]

Yes, it is not surprising...



I guess the commission forgot to ask the Slickster his opinion....

Clinton first linked al Qaeda to Saddam
June 25, 2004
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Clinton administration talked about firm evidence linking Saddam Hussein's regime to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network years before President Bush made the same statements.
The issue arose again this month after the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States reported there was no "collaborative relationship" between the old Iraqi regime and bin Laden.
Democrats have cited the staff report to accuse Mr. Bush of making inaccurate statements about a linkage. Commission members, including a Democrat and two Republicans, quickly came to the administration's defense by saying there had been such contacts.
In fact, during President Clinton's eight years in office, there were at least two official pronouncements of an alarming alliance between Baghdad and al Qaeda. One came from William S. Cohen, Mr. Clinton's defense secretary. He cited an al Qaeda-Baghdad link to justify the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.
Mr. Bush cited the linkage, in part, to justify invading Iraq and ousting Saddam. He said he could not take the risk of Iraq's weapons falling into bin Laden's hands.
The other pronouncement is contained in a Justice Department indictment on Nov. 4, 1998, charging bin Laden with murder in the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.
The indictment disclosed a close relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam's regime, which included specialists on chemical weapons and all types of bombs, including truck bombs, a favorite weapon of terrorists.
The 1998 indictment said: "Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."
Shortly after the embassy bombings, Mr. Clinton ordered air strikes on al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and on the Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.
To justify the Sudanese plant as a target, Clinton aides said it was involved in the production of deadly VX nerve gas. Officials
determined that bin Laden owned a stake in the operation and that its manager had traveled to Baghdad to learn bomb-making techniques from Saddam's weapons scientists.
Mr. Cohen elaborated in March in testimony before the September 11 commission.
He testified that "bin Laden had been living [at the plant], that he had, in fact, money that he had put into this military industrial corporation, that the owner of the plant had traveled to Baghdad to meet with the father of the VX program."
He said that if the plant had been allowed to produce VX that was used to kill thousands of Americans, people would have asked him, " 'You had a manager that went to Baghdad; you had Osama bin Laden, who had funded, at least the corporation, and you had traces of [VX precursor] and you did what? And you did nothing?' Is that a responsible activity on the part of the secretary of defense?"

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm