Holy crap, it's back!

jimpeel

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The UN Convention On The Rights Of The Child is one of the most evil conventions ever to come out of the UN. I have been following this POS for years, now, and it is back with Babs Boxer pushing it. Prior to this, it was the Clintons.

I was a guest on a radio program in Attleboro, MA several years ago to address this issue.

I don't know how many of you have actually ever read this thing but if you want to retain parental rights over your own children you would do well to oppose this thing with all of your being.

Only the United States and Somalia have not ratified this mess. While it sounds good on its face, the devil is in the details.

HERE IS A LINK to the Convention. Read it carefully.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/

Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights

Sen. Barbara Boxer is pushing the Obama administration to move forward with ratification of the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, a controversial treaty that has never gained much support in the U.S.


By Joseph Abrams

FOXNews.com

Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Sen. Barbara Boxer is urging the U.S. to ratify a United Nations measure meant to expand the rights of children, a move critics are calling a gross assault on parental rights that could rob the U.S. of sovereignty.

The California Democrat is pushing the Obama administration to review the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, a nearly 20-year-old international agreement that has been foundering on American shores since it was signed by the Clinton administration in 1995 but never ratified.

Critics say the treaty, which creates "the right of the child to freedom of thought, conscience and religion" and outlaws the "arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy," intrudes on the family and strips parents of the power to raise their children without government interference.

Nearly every country in the world is party to it -- only the U.S. and Somalia are not -- but the convention has gained little support in the U.S. and never been sent to the Senate for ratification.

That could change soon.

Boxer has made clear her intent to revive the ratification process under the Obama administration, which may be amenable to the move. During a Senate confirmation hearing last month, Boxer said she considers it "a humiliation" that the U.S. is "standing with Somalia" in refusing to become party to the agreement, while 193 other nations have led the way.

The U.S. is already party to two optional pieces of the treaty regarding child soldiers and child prostitution and pornography, but has refused to sign on to the full agreement, something which has rankled members of Congress, including Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

"Children deserve basic human rights ... and the convention protects children's rights by setting some standards here so that the most vulnerable people of society will be protected," Boxer said.

The convention has established a Committee on the Rights of the Child, an 18-member panel in Geneva composed of "persons of high moral character" who review the rights of children in nations that are party to the convention.

But legal experts say the convention does nothing to protect human rights abroad -- and that acceding to the convention would erode U.S. sovereignty.

Because of the Supremacy Clause in Article VI of the Constitution, all treaties are rendered "the supreme law of the land," superseding preexisting state and federal statutes. Any rights or laws established by the U.N. convention could then be argued to hold sway in the United States.

"To the extent that an outside body, a group of unaccountable so-called experts in Switzerland have a say over how children in America should be raised, educated and disciplined -- that is an erosion of American sovereignty," said Steven Groves, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Parental rights groups are similarly stirred; they see in the U.N. convention a threat that the government will meddle with even the simplest freedoms to raise their children as they see fit.

"Whether you ground your kids for smoking marijuana, whether you take them to church, whether you let them go to junior prom, all of those things . . . will be the government's decision," said Michael Farris, president of ParentalRights.org. "It will affect every parent who's told their children to do the dishes."

Groves said that erosion has already begun, as the Supreme Court has referred to the wide acceptance of the child-rights law in conferring legal protections on minors in the U.S.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing the majority opinion in the 2005 decision banning the death penalty for minors, noted that "every country in the world has ratified [the convention] save for the United States and Somalia."

Proponents of the convention in the U.S. stress that it will help secure human rights abroad.

"Now, all you have to do is look around the world and see these girls that are having acid thrown in their face," Boxer said in January, implying that the U.S. refusal to come aboard has led to abuses elsewhere.

But when acceding to the convention, countries are able to sign so-called RUDs -- reservations, understandings and declarations -- that can hinder or negate responsibilities they would otherwise be bound to follow.

Most majority Muslim nations express reservations on all provisions of the convention that are incompatible with Islamic Sharia law, which takes much of the teeth out of the treaty. Acid attacks on girls continue in Afghanistan, which is already party to the convention.

The U.N. itself admits that there is no way for it to enforce its own laws and protect children.

"When it comes to signatories who violate the convention and/or its optional protocols -- there is no means to oblige states to fulfill their legal obligations," said Giorgia Passarelli, a spokeswoman for the U.N. High Commission on Human Rights, which oversees the child-rights body.

Passarelli said that the committee has kept a constant spotlight on rights violators and fed into decisions made by the Security Council, especially involving child soldiers. But even then, she added, such pressure does not always prevail.

Despite these obstacles, Boxer has made clear that she intends to ramp up pressure to get the treaty ratified, a passion that may be shared by the Obama administration.

During the Oct. 22, 2008, presidential youth debate, Obama promised to "review this and other treaties to ensure the United States resumes its global leadership in human rights."

During U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice's January confirmation hearing, Rice called the convention "a very important treaty and a noble cause," and said it was "a shame" for the U.S. to be in company with Somalia, which has no real government.

Rice told Boxer that "there can be no doubt that [President Obama] and Secretary Clinton and I share a commitment to the objectives of this treaty and will take it up as an early question," promising to review the treaty "to ensure that the United States is playing and resumes its global leadership role in human rights."

Boxer, who sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, pushed for a 60-day timetable to review the convention and report back to the Senate -- which would have left the Obama administration a March 23 deadline to move toward ratification.

Rice politely sidestepped and refused to agree to the timeline.

"This is a complicated treaty, in many respects more than some others, given our system of federalism, and so we need to take a close look at how we manage the challenges of domestic implementation and what reservations and understandings might be appropriate in the context of ratification," she said.

Boxer's office, which ignored repeated calls and e-mails seeking comment, has not spelled out what if any reservations the senator would like to assert in ratifying the treaty. The State Department also refused to comment on timetables.
 
Here are some of the “highlights” of this idiotic piece of crap.

Article 1
For the purposes of the present Convention, a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier. (Right out of the gate this thing starts hedging. - j)

Article 7
1. The child shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have the right from birth to a name, the right to acquire a nationality and, as far as possible, the right to know and be cared for by his or her parents.
2. States Parties shall ensure the implementation of these rights in accordance with their national law and their obligations under the relevant international instruments in this field, in particular where the child would otherwise be stateless.

Article 13
1. The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of the child's choice. (Including pornography? -j)
2. The exercise of this right may be subject to certain restrictions, (The UN giveth and the UN taketh away. -j) but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others; or
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

Article 14
1. States Parties shall respect the right of the child to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.
2. States Parties shall respect the rights and duties of the parents and, when applicable, legal guardians, to provide direction to the child in the exercise of his or her right in a manner consistent with the evolving capacities of the child.
3. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals, or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others. (Sounded good right up to this point. I’m sure the persecution of Christians in China and some Arabic countries “may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law”. - j)

Article 15
1. States Parties recognize the rights of the child to freedom of association and to freedom of peaceful assembly. (So if you see your fourteen-year-old daughter standing on a street corner with a known prostitute and a known drug dealer you, as her parent, can not remove her from that influence. -j)
2. No restrictions may be placed on the exercise of these rights other than those imposed in conformity with the law and which are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, public order (ordre public), the protection of public health or morals or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Article 16
1. No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his or her honour and reputation.
2. The child has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
(So if you are putting your kid’s underwear in their drawer and you find contraband you are violating their privacy. -j)

Article 17
States Parties recognize the important function performed by the mass media and shall ensure that the child has access to information and material from a diversity of national and international sources, especially those aimed at the promotion of his or her social, spiritual and moral well-being and physical and mental health. To this end, States Parties shall:
(a) Encourage the mass media to disseminate information and material of social and cultural benefit to the child and in accordance with the spirit of article 29;
(b) Encourage international co-operation in the production, exchange and dissemination of such information and material from a diversity of cultural, national and international sources;
(c) Encourage the production and dissemination of children's books;
(d) Encourage the mass media to have particular regard to the linguistic needs of the child who belongs to a minority group or who is indigenous;
(e) Encourage the development of appropriate guidelines for the protection of the child from information and material injurious to his or her well-being, bearing in mind the provisions of articles 13 and 18.
(Need I even comment on this one? -j)


Article 22
1. States Parties shall take appropriate measures to ensure that a child who is seeking refugee status or who is considered a refugee in accordance with applicable international or domestic law and procedures shall, whether unaccompanied or accompanied by his or her parents or by any other person, receive appropriate protection and humanitarian assistance in the enjoyment of applicable rights set forth in the present Convention and in other international human rights or humanitarian instruments to which the said States are Parties.
2. For this purpose, States Parties shall provide, as they consider appropriate, co-operation in any efforts by the United Nations and other competent intergovernmental organizations or non-governmental organizations co-operating with the United Nations to protect and assist such a child and to trace the parents or other members of the family of any refugee child in order to obtain information necessary for reunification with his or her family. (So a Mexican child comes over the border of the U.S. and we have to take him. On top of that, we have to do everything possible to reunify the child with its parents. Now what does anyone here think will happen -- the child sent back to Mexico, or the parents brought to the U.S.? That was a rhetorical question. We all know the answer. - j) In cases where no parents or other members of the family can be found, the child shall be accorded the same protection as any other child permanently or temporarily deprived of his or her family environment for any reason , as set forth in the present Convention.

Article 26
1. States Parties shall recognize for every child the right to benefit from social security, including social insurance, and shall take the necessary measures to achieve the full realization of this right in accordance with their national law.
2. The benefits should, where appropriate, be granted, taking into account the resources and the circumstances of the child and persons having responsibility for the maintenance of the child, as well as any other consideration relevant to an application for benefits made by or on behalf of the child.

Article 30
In those States in which ethnic, religious or linguistic minorities or persons of indigenous origin exist, a child belonging to such a minority or who is indigenous shall not be denied the right, in community with other members of his or her group, to enjoy his or her own culture, to profess and practise his or her own religion, or to use his or her own language. (So that means that the U.S. would have to scrap English immersion classes in favor of the indiginous language of the child. - j)

Article 37
States Parties shall ensure that:
(a) No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age; (So much for trying murdering children as adults. - j)
(b) No child shall be deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily. The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time; (I'll have more on this later and how this provision has affected youth detention facilities in Britain. -j)
(c) Every child deprived of liberty shall be treated with humanity and respect for the inherent dignity of the human person, and in a manner which takes into account the needs of persons of his or her age. In particular, every child deprived of liberty shall be separated from adults unless it is considered in the child's best interest not to do so and shall have the right to maintain contact with his or her family through correspondence and visits, save in exceptional circumstances;
(d) Every child deprived of his or her liberty shall have the right to prompt access to legal and other appropriate assistance, as well as the right to challenge the legality of the deprivation of his or her liberty before a court or other competent, independent and impartial authority, and to a prompt decision on any such action.

Article 38
1. States Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for rules of international humanitarian law applicable to them in armed conflicts which are relevant to the child.
2. States Parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that persons who have not attained the age of fifteen years do not take a direct part in hostilities. (Nothing like a kid carrying a rifle that is longer than he is tall. - j)
3. States Parties shall refrain from recruiting any person who has not attained the age of fifteen years into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of fifteen years but who have not attained the age of eighteen years, States Parties shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest. (Isn’t that considerate. - j)
4. In accordance with their obligations under international humanitarian law to protect the civilian population in armed conflicts, States Parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure protection and care of children who are affected by an armed conflict.

Article 40

...

3. States Parties shall seek to promote the establishment of laws, procedures, authorities and institutions specifically applicable to children alleged as, accused of, or recognized as having infringed the penal law, and, in particular:
(a) The establishment of a minimum age below which children shall be presumed not to have the capacity to infringe the penal law;
 
You're joking right?!? The stuff in red, do you actually believe any of that?

Yes, and hell yes. I've been studying and fighting this thing since 1993. I have written articles, Guest editorial pieces, and appeared on radio programs.

This thing is a piece of shit.

Do you want fifteen-year-olds conscripted into the armed forces?
Do you want open borders?
Do you want to assign your children to the care of the government?
Do you want too be held criminally liable for trying to raise your kids as you see fit because it does not conform to the government's playbook?
Do you want to be forced to expand social welfare programs to include children who have no parents?
 
Yes, and hell yes. I've been studying and fighting this thing since 1993. I have written articles, Guest editorial pieces, and appeared on radio programs.

This thing is a piece of shit.

Do you want fifteen-year-olds conscripted into the armed forces?
Do you want open borders?
Do you want to assign your children to the care of the government?
Do you want too be held criminally liable for trying to raise your kids as you see fit because it does not conform to the government's playbook?
Do you want to be forced to expand social welfare programs to include children who have no parents?

Do you want children under 15 to be conscripted into the armed forces?
This does not affect open borders...at allows children who request refugee status equal treatment as an adult requesting the same (So, if their parents are dead, imprisoned, or simply cannot be found they can still request amnesty and expect to be treated seriously)
This does not assign the care of your children to the gvt
This affects how GVTS and corporations treat your child...not how you as a parent treat your child..unless you're breaking pre-existing laws concerning your child.
If it means more money to support orphanages, adoptive families and foster parents...sure thing.

It strikes me as if you're cherry-picking and then misinterpreting single sentences in order to exemplify your paranoia.
 
Yes, and hell yes. I've been studying and fighting this thing since 1993. I have written articles, Guest editorial pieces, and appeared on radio programs.

hey, could we see/hear some of that stuff? where + how were you published?
 
It strikes me as if you're cherry-picking and then misinterpreting single sentences in order to exemplify your paranoia.

Which is exactly how powers-that-be take advantage of poorly worded, or improper, legislation. If the law allows it, (un)intended consequences, will follow.
 
Which is exactly how powers-that-be take advantage of poorly worded, or improper, legislation. If the law allows it, (un)intended consequences, will follow.
IMO there is no such thing as a bullet-proof, zero-loophole, perfectly worded law. So you have to judge the spirit of the law instead of guessing where it might be misused.
 
Following the letter of the law allows far fewer misinterpretations than following its intentions. When a roomful of lawyers can't make it specific, then don't write it.
 
Following the letter of the law allows far fewer misinterpretations than following its intentions. When a roomful of lawyers can't make it specific, then don't write it.
Each law would take up volumes of text if it tried to cover every possible contingency, past present or potential future.

Your constitution is a fine example of how a few select words give the spirit and intention without getting too verbose. It's full of legalize holes, to the point where there are more holes than material, but it's still held up as your most precious document.

Why? Certainly not because you let a bunch of lawyers at it prior to it's first printing/signing to ensure that it wasn't potentially misused is the future.
 
It strikes me as if you're cherry-picking and then misinterpreting single sentences in order to exemplify your paranoia.

Which is exactly how powers-that-be take advantage of poorly worded, or improper, legislation. If the law allows it, (un)intended consequences, will follow.

IMO there is no such thing as a bullet-proof, zero-loophole, perfectly worded law. So you have to judge the spirit of the law instead of guessing where it might be misused.

Each law would take up volumes of text if it tried to cover every possible contingency, past present or potential future.

Your constitution is a fine example of how a few select words give the spirit and intention without getting too verbose. It's full of legalize holes, to the point where there are more holes than material, but it's still held up as your most precious document.

Why? Certainly not because you let a bunch of lawyers at it prior to it's first printing/signing to ensure that it wasn't potentially misused is the future.

I agree with Gonz, if the law is as poorly written that even a few seconds of thought can find a loophole then it should be rewritten to prevent misuse or abuse.
 
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