Hostage-taking of kids quelled in Cambodia; 2-year-old slain

MrBishop

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SIEM REAP, Cambodia - Masked gunmen burst into an international school near Cambodia's famed Angkor Wat temples Thursday, taking dozens of toddlers hostage and killing a 2-year-old Canadian boy they said cried too much. Police overpowered the attackers as they tried to escape after a six-hour standoff.
Furious and sometimes weeping parents waiting outside the school took their revenge, bloodying three of the four hostage-takers and beating at least one unconscious before police pulled them away.
The attackers, motivated by a desire for money, barged into the school at about 9:30 a.m. and herded a teacher and almost 30 nursery-school-age children into a classroom in one of the school's two buildings.
Scores of other children - from as many as 15 countries, including the United States - managed to hide or scramble from the grounds. It was not known if any American children were held hostage. A U.S. Embassy spokesman in the Cambodian capital would not comment.
Parents rushed to the school and waited with soldiers and police, many sitting on the ground in any shade they could find amid the heat as authorities negotiated with the attackers.
As the hours stretched on, the occasional sound of captive children crying could be heard from inside the school grounds beyond a small empty playground.
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It seems that the 2 year old boy
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was crying too loudly and was shot in the head for his troubles
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Some people are just not human.
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But when they kill 300 kids in Beslan, we need to go out of our way to "understand their motivations", yes?
 
HomeLAN said:
But when they kill 300 kids in Beslan, we need to go out of our way to "understand their motivations", yes?
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http://www.beslanhope.org/

nope... and again, you're equating 'understanding what makes someone tick' and 'supporting' them. I don't support people who kill kids. That doesn't mean that I don't want to understand why they did it...especially if it allows us to stop something before it starts, yes!

F'r instance...were these guys Khmer Rouge or just people dealing in drugs? Why were they asking for guns? Where were those guns supposed to go? Why did they need to use these tactics to get guns? Are they running low on money? Is their support slipping? ...and most important, how can all this information be used to squash them. Not unreasonable, eh?
 
When Beslan happened, you told me that "Nothing human is alien to you", and used that as justification for your argument against my position that quick extermination of these types of vermin was the only viable route. Now this happens (same deal!) and you say "Some people aren't human."

Not unreasonable to ask you to make up your fucking mind, eh?
 
HomeLAN said:
When Beslan happened, you told me that "Nothing human is alien to you", and used that as justification for your argument against my position that quick extermination of these types of vermin was the only viable route. Now this happens (same deal!) and you say "Some people aren't human."

Not unreasonable to ask you to make up your fucking mind, eh?
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Nil humanis a me alienum pota.... basically, nothing surprises me anymore. Am I surprised that someone would shoot a kid in the head? Nope... angry but not surprised.

I don't recall using that to say that we shouldn't exterminate these types of vermin... go right ahead, but wouldn't it be nice to know why something happened first?
 
I truly don't care about the why. Whatever...thing is capable of thinking that the execution of innocent kids is somehow OK doesn't rate the time it takes to try and "understand", it rates being stepped on like the cockroach it resembles.
 
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Personally...I'd release the prisoners and follow them. Once the kids are free...kill off the terrorists and airmail them back to Chechnia (all tied together and a quick exit from 40,000ft above the Chechnian capital...no parachutes.)...hmm...maybe leave them alive before they get airmailed. Follow the prisoners for a while...when they go home to roost. Take the war directly to them.
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I looked quickly through the thread... I talked about how newspapers help make terrorist acts more effective...hmmm... how Russia wasn't playing nice either etc etc...

I didn't find where I supported terrorists or their acts.
 
You and I had several discussions about Beslan outside of that one thread. I said to kill terrorists, period. You wanted to "understand them".
 
HomeLAN said:
I truly don't care about the why. Whatever...thing is capable of thinking that the execution of innocent kids is somehow OK doesn't rate the time it takes to try and "understand", it rates being stepped on like the cockroach it resembles.
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even if it might stop the next time?
 
HomeLAN said:
You and I had several discussions about Beslan outside of that one thread.
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Yeah...some of it via PM as well.... I still don't equate understand with support, but you seem to think that I do.
 
These people don't stop. It's simply not in their nasty little world-view to stop killing infidels. Short of removing them form the gene pool permanently, I don't believe you'll ever find a way to "stop the next time."
 
MrBishop said:
Yeah...some of it via PM as well.... I still don't equate understand with support, but you seem to think that I do.
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Every time you try to take in their ideas and make them appear rational, you support them. Mean to or not, you're legitimizing their activities.

I don't question that you don't mean to support terrorists. The activities you are promoting, however, do exactly that, intentions be damned.
 
HomeLAN said:
These people don't stop. It's simply not in their nasty little world-view to stop killing infidels. Short of removing them form the gene pool permanently, I don't believe you'll ever find a way to "stop the next time."
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So...kill all muslims? Kill some Muslims? Which ones? How can you tell the difference between the ones that should be removed from the gene-pool and which ones to keep? What's the difference between a fanatical Muslim who would strap a bomb to his chest and a one that would report a would-be terrorist?

Ans: What drives them. Know what seperates one from the other and you can pick your targets before they kill someone. That's what separates action from reaction.

btw.
Wasn't the case here at all
Chea Sokhom earlier told interrogators he initially planned the raid as revenge against a South Korean man who employed him as a driver. He said he had been humiliated when his employer struck him in a fit of anger, so he quit and planned to kill the man's two children, whom he used to drive to the school each day. The two children were unharmed.
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Petty vengeance gone awry. Preventable? Probably not... but if they'd been killed offhand, we'd never have gotten the chance of questioning them and knowing what happened and why.
 
How about this: if you intentionally kill innocents, or if you're active in a group that supports that activity, you die. You tell the difference through investigation of individual records, like any other capital crime. This isn;t an attempt to get to the root of your motivation, it's simply an attempt to find out whether you fit. In the case of attacks on US personel, that decision becomes obvious in a hurry, now doesn't it? The implication that I'd back elimination of all muslims is really appreciated, BTW.

I'm really not too sure what's so tough about that for you.

As to this case, you're right - the background was different. However, your reaction to this incident appears at odds with your reaction to Beslan, in that you appear far less willing to extend an effort at "understanding". I'm having difficulty reconciling the directions you're jumping on the two.
 
HomeLAN said:
I don't question that you don't mean to support terrorists. The activities you are promoting, however, do exactly that, intentions be damned.
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My intention is to eliminate terrorist acts before they happen...what's wrong with that?

Getting to the root of the motivation is the easiest way to predict actions prior to them happening. Stop the recruitment in its tracks, pull out local support by discrediting the group, staunch off financial support...and then make them dissapear as if they'd never existed.
The implication that I'd back elimination of all muslims is really appreciated, BTW
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It's simply not in their nasty little world-view to stop killing infidels. Short of removing them form the gene pool permanently, I don't believe you'll ever find a way to "stop the next time."
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perhaps, I misread
*edit* - but that's just how it sounded. If I have insulted you, it was not my intention. You have my appolgies.
 
HomeLAN said:
You did. The "they" in "their" refers to muslim terrorists.
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read my edit...prior to you posting this. Again...my appolgies for misunderstanding. There are some which don't hold such constraints.
 
My intention is to eliminate terrorist acts before they happen...what's wrong with that?
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I am with you fully on this. But some feel it is somehow legitimising the actions of the terrorists. Also I admit it would take a long time.But understanding can be a step in stopping this kind of thing from happening
 
I liked the part where:
"Furious and sometimes weeping parents waiting outside the school took their revenge, bloodying three of the four hostage-takers and beating at least one unconscious before police pulled them away."

My guess is the only understanding these animals
are going to get in Cambodia will be in front of a firing squad!
 
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