How the Nazis engineered a paedophile priests scare

[2minkey]

How is that relevant?

oh, you know, i'm just helping you complete the picture of rampant immorality that you've already gotten a good start on.

feel better about your own choices now? how about your judgments?

 

[2minkey]

Re: Nazis were awesome!

That is for God to decide.

the desire to be led is the true root of fascism.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

St. Peter vs your peter.

 

[Gonz]

Out of curiousity minxxx...why are you so Anti-Catholic? Yes, some priests have been freaks who need their nuts cut off & their head (either of them) fed through a tree shredder & some of the beauracracy has had their head up their ass but the church, as a whole, has done a bazillion times more good than evil.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

While I would never get involved with the Catholic Church, I do offer them respect for what efforts they make. Far greater that any big government, socialist or communist, has ever done.

 

[Winky]

Nazi Catholic priests on Mars!

Them Jesuits down the road gave my kid a great education
that didn’t include a rimjob, come to think of it so did the Catholic
school girls but it may have included one.

 

[2minkey]

Out of curiousity minxxx...why are you so Anti-Catholic? Yes, some priests have been freaks who need their nuts cut off & their head (either of them) fed through a tree shredder & some of the beauracracy has had their head up their ass but the church, as a whole, has done a bazillion times more good than evil.

the church has done some truly ridiculous stuff over the years. selling indulgences? what a crock of shit.

the idea that any institution is infallible is, well, quite simply, for suckers.

you should be mad at the church given how soft the last pope was on socialism, gonzie. you should be condemning 'em left and right.

being critical of the church does not mean someone is anti-catholic, just like being critical of the US government does not mean that you are anti-american.

are the humanist and reform jews that i grew up with anti-jewish because they find hasidim to be "orthodox weirdos living in the past?"

it's a foundational difference. some of us believe that social institutions need to evolve along with the rest of society, while others prefer to rely on scripture.

you've made your choice. i've made mine.

gotholic has embraced a fairly extreme form of catholicism that i personally find distasteful, but that's his choice.

i actually find catholicism-gone-fundy to be quite frightening, more so than evangelicals just being what they are. it's the radicalized coverts you gotta watch out for. just ask john walker lind. (oh, wait, he really didn't ultimately DO anyhting, did he? well, at least he was on the right team as he saw it.)

 

[valkyrie]

Hey, minks, chew on this:



Source

"Pius XII saved hundreds of thousands of Jews. The Jewish historian Pinchas Lapide thought it might have been as many as 860,000: there were fewer than 1,200 on Oskar Schindler's list. Yet the one individual who did more than anyone else on the planet to help the Jews is reviled: that is a parable of our dementedly anti-Catholic society." - Gerald Warner

hey that's great, especially being from catholic.com and all.

but there's no disputing that the church as a whole, through it's own policy, stood idly by during WWII.

there is conspiracy and evil afoot everywhere except within the catholic church. la la la la la la.

Goth is right that there were Catholics (including priests and nuns) who protected Jews during WWII. But Minks is also right that the official policy of the Catholic Church was not to interfere. Many of these Catholics went to the gas chambers (or were executed in other ways) as a result. This includes Saint Maximilian Kolbe, a Polish Franciscan Friar who was sent to Auschwitz in 1941 for (1) hiding 2000 Jews and (2) for his radio broadcasts against the Nazis.
This is an article about his life, and his death in the concentration camp.

However, this does not exempt the Catholic Church from scrutiny for it's protection of the Church and it's sacrifice of these children (because it WAS a sacrifice).

 

[valkyrie]

While I would never get involved with the Catholic Church, I do offer them respect for what efforts they make. Far greater that any big government, socialist or communist, has ever done.

Dude, you're like a clown that keeps using the same bit over and over.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

It's contrast for religion hating commie goo-kids. But tanks for noticing Mrs Hammers.

 

[valkyrie]

It's contrast for religion hating commie goo-kids. But tanks for noticing Mrs Hammers.

That's Ms. Hammers. Thank you.

 

[valkyrie]

Anyone here read anything about the various Inquisitions of Europe? (Not just the Spanish Inquisition.)

 

[2minkey]

i might have read some history...


so, it's "ms." is it?

you know, there's always enough room at casa del minkey for another freethinkin' young lady.

 

[Gotholic]

So you’ll get your answer once you are dead?

I suppose so. I am not really anxious to know who I am better than.

oh, you know, i'm just helping you complete the picture of rampant immorality that you've already gotten a good start on.

feel better about your own choices now? how about your judgments?

As far as I know, I do not see a problem of having a female friend of yours spend the night. Unless of course you have a ménage à trois going on.

the desire to be led is the true root of fascism.

I wonder how you deduced that from me saying it is God who knows who is better than others.

the church has done some truly ridiculous stuff over the years. selling indulgences? what a crock of shit.

The Church never approved of selling indulgences. Those who did sell them were acting contrary to the Church's regulations. Cardinal Cajetan (Tommaso de Vio, 1469-1534) wrote about the problem: "Preachers act in the name of the Church so long as they teach the doctrines of Christ and the Church; but if they teach, guided by their own minds and arbitrariness of will, things of which they are ignorant, they cannot pass as representatives of the Church; it need not be wondered that they go astray."

the idea that any institution is infallible is, well, quite simply, for suckers.

You have a poor understanding on what the Church deems infallible.

being critical of the church does not mean someone is anti-catholic, just like being critical of the US government does not mean that you are anti-american.

Your anti-Catholic sentiment is quite clearly manifested in your comments, especially calling the Catholic Church "the molester church".

gotholic has embraced a fairly extreme form of catholicism that i personally find distasteful, but that's his choice.

There is Catholic and there is non-Catholic. If you consider Catholicism an extremist religion then that your perception.

Goth is right that there were Catholics (including priests and nuns) who protected Jews during WWII. But Minks is also right that the official policy of the Catholic Church was not to interfere. Many of these Catholics went to the gas chambers (or were executed in other ways) as a result. This includes Saint Maximilian Kolbe, a Polish Franciscan Friar who was sent to Auschwitz in 1941 for (1) hiding 2000 Jews and (2) for his radio broadcasts against the Nazis.
This is an article about his life, and his death in the concentration camp.

However, this does not exempt the Catholic Church from scrutiny for it's protection of the Church and it's sacrifice of these children (because it WAS a sacrifice).

Can you substantiate it was official Church policy not to interfere? I think it is appropriate to put Cardinal Cajetan's quote here for you as well: "Preachers act in the name of the Church so long as they teach the doctrines of Christ and the Church; but if they teach, guided by their own minds and arbitrariness of will, things of which they are ignorant, they cannot pass as representatives of the Church; it need not be wondered that they go astray."

Anyone here read anything about the various Inquisitions of Europe? (Not just the Spanish Inquisition.)

I have. What do you think the Inquisitions demonstrate?

 

[2minkey]

As far as I know, I do not see a problem of having a female friend of yours spend the night. Unless of course you have a ménage à trois going on.

i'm actually thinking of adding a fourth so no one gets bored. you know any cute chicks than can take a good spanking?

I wonder how you deduced that from me saying it is God who knows who is better than others.

because you're using god to try to make yourself into something.

The Church never approved of selling indulgences. Those who did sell them were acting contrary to the Church's regulations. Cardinal Cajetan (Tommaso de Vio, 1469-1534) wrote about the problem: "Preachers act in the name of the Church so long as they teach the doctrines of Christ and the Church; but if they teach, guided by their own minds and arbitrariness of will, things of which they are ignorant, they cannot pass as representatives of the Church; it need not be wondered that they go astray."

sorry buddy, but i'll believe the history books rather than an apologist.

You have a poor understanding on what the Church deems infallible.

well why i don't i give myself a little refreshed course and then get back to you, professor?

Your anti-Catholic sentiment is quite clearly manifested in your comments, especially calling the Catholic Church "the molester church".

calling things as they are does not mean anti-catholic. "the molester church" is an entertaining phrase, and in this case, it is well deserved. just because you're incapable of critique does not make any of the rest of us "haters."

There is Catholic and there is non-Catholic. If you consider Catholicism an extremist religion then that your perception.

no, silly, i consider a very small minority of catholics to be fucking whack jobs on some kind of identity bender. most catholics are quite reasonable and tolerant of the values of others.

Can you substantiate it was official Church policy not to interfere? I think it is appropriate to put Cardinal Cajetan's quote here for you as well: "Preachers act in the name of the Church so long as they teach the doctrines of Christ and the Church; but if they teach, guided by their own minds and arbitrariness of will, things of which they are ignorant, they cannot pass as representatives of the Church; it need not be wondered that they go astray."

look it the fuck up. i don't understand why you can't find it yourself. it's all over the bloody internets.

I have. What do you think the Inquisitions demonstrate?

a floundering institution striking fear into the hearts of folks and killing to retain power. you can readily link various inquisitions to other events that began to erode church power. and no, i'm not doing your homework for you.

 

[Gonz]

the church has done some truly ridiculous stuff over the years. selling indulgences? what a crock of shit.

the idea that any institution is infallible is, well, quite simply, for suckers.

I agree. That's why I didn't follow my family.

you should be mad at the church given how soft the last pope was on socialism, gonzie. you should be condemning 'em left and right.

They are not a government entity & therefore have no authority to force me to share my wealth. I'd expect a religious sect to be all into sharing.

being critical of the church does not mean someone is anti-catholic,

The crux of the question...no, sir, it doesn't. However, you seem to be hell bent to denigrate them (in my persepctive). I was just curious if it is/was personal.

 

[2minkey]

The crux of the question...no, sir, it doesn't. However, you seem to be hell bent to denigrate them (in my persepctive). I was just curious if it is/was personal.

no, i just kinda find their conduct fairly outrageous in a few ways. i mean, golly, if you're going to talk about god and morals, don't practice risk management in the same way that corporations-gone-wrong do, especially in relation to matters that you yourself moralize about extensively. kinda disgusting. kinda like ted haggard (sp?), jimmy "whackatronic" swaggart, and all those others that want to play high + mighty in public while perving to the fullest (in the most fucked up ways possible) in back alleys.

it's actually more disappointing that it's the catholic church as opposed to those wacky evangelicals, whom i'd expect to be more likely to be closeted rapists, because, as i said, for the most part catholicism is fairly reasonable and fine with me. so... the extreme deviance is a bit more troubling. did i mention i was raised catholic? no, not personal.

at some level i just findgotholic's inability to accept what is obvious to everyone else amusing, and thus i'm using some fun and playful phrasing. pretend i'm RM for a moment here.

ummm, the virgin connie swail.

plus, by now you know the way i like to phrase things - in playful potty humorish sorts of ways - yeah, "molester church" ha ha fucking ha... though in many ways i'll never approach the level of sturm und drang that you achieve through your various commentaries on commies and whatnot. but then you're far more serious about most of what gets posted here anyway.

so, did you ever pick up that S+W thingy? if not, i've got some new recommendations fer ya.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

pretend i'm RM for a moment here.

Not funny enough or offensive enough. B+ for effort.

 

[Gotholic]

because you're using god to try to make yourself into something.

No, minks, I am nothing.

The Church never approved of selling indulgences. Those who did sell them were acting contrary to the Church's regulations. Cardinal Cajetan (Tommaso de Vio, 1469-1534) wrote about the problem: "Preachers act in the name of the Church so long as they teach the doctrines of Christ and the Church; but if they teach, guided by their own minds and arbitrariness of will, things of which they are ignorant, they cannot pass as representatives of the Church; it need not be wondered that they go astray."

sorry buddy, but i'll believe the history books rather than an apologist.

The cardinal is saying those who sell indulgences are acting not in accordance with the Church. If you believe they were acting with what the Church permitted than can you cite anything that demonstrates this?

well why i don't i give myself a little refreshed course and then get back to you, professor?

Before you do, remember not to confuse "infallibility" with "impeccability".

calling things as they are does not mean anti-catholic. "the molester church" is an entertaining phrase, and in this case, it is well deserved. just because you're incapable of critique does not make any of the rest of us "haters."

It is not constructive criticism. I suppose you consider Islam a terrorist religion?

look it the fuck up. i don't understand why you can't find it yourself. it's all over the bloody internets.

You introduced your assertion on the subject of indulgence. You are obliged to furnish proof, not I.

a floundering institution striking fear into the hearts of folks and killing to retain power. you can readily link various inquisitions to other events that began to erode church power. and no, i'm not doing your homework for you.

I asked val that question.

 

[2minkey]

1.No, minks, I am nothing.

2. The cardinal is saying those who sell indulgences are acting not in accordance with the Church. If you believe they were acting with what the Church permitted than can you cite anything that demonstrates this?

3. Before you do, remember not to confuse "infallibility" with "impeccability".

4. It is not constructive criticism. I suppose you consider Islam a terrorist religion?

5. You introduced your assertion on the subject of indulgence. You are obliged to furnish proof, not I.

6. I asked val that question.

1. i don't believe the humility you're trying to proejct after the fact, but if it works on you, go for it.

2. “The good news is we’re not selling them anymore.” OOOOPSIES! (and really, i still don't give a hoot what your apologists say.)

3. i'm not confused about any terminology here, okay professor?

4. um, no, but your church has committed thousands of terrorist acts through its history, so what should we make of that? (really, taking someone from their home and torturing them in the name of an ideology ISN't terrorism? golly, you sure had me fooled.)

but quit shifting. this is more about your inability to form any critique rather than any objections you may have of the semantic approach of my criticisms. try looking for information about the church that is not from the church or its apologists.


5. i don't need to prove anything that is common knowledge. would you like me to prove that george washington was the first US president, too? or how about that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen?

6. i don't care.