If personal firearms were allowed to be carried on base

[catocom]

burn baby burn

 

[H2O boy]

comment on the posts, not the users. - Leslie

 

[jimpeel]

This looks like one of those claims you're not going to have evidence for.

I doubt most gun owners have ever heard of him and I doubt most criminologists or legal scholars consider his stuff of any importance.



Much more here:

http://polyticks.com/polyticks/beararms/liars/hgclott.htm

You might also want to check out this.

Arthur Kellermann at Emory University; and Douglas Weil at the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence???? No bias there.

Kellerman is the author of the 1986 "study", which has never been peer reviewed or the data set released by Kellerman, which claims that there is a 43:1 chance that every time a gun is used in self-defense, it is 43 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide, or accidental shooting. That "study" has been thoroughly debunked by several firearms experts.

In other words, they lie.

As for the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, which is closely associated with the Violence Policy Center and Josh Sugarman. Sugarman is the person who fraudulently invented the term "assault weapon".

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."
— Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

In other words, they lie.

Then there was THIS from your own link:

Anti-gun group posing as Lott on website and emails

An anti-gun organization set up a website pretending to be run by Lott.[42][43] The website was run and emails sent out under Lott's name to claim that Lott opposed legislation designed to limit suits against gun makers and that Lott had reconsidered his position on how individuals could sell guns, positions that Lott had not taken.[44] "E-mails from visitors questioning whether or not the site was actually run by Lott were responded to with messages signed by 'John Lott,' arguing that the site was, in fact, run by the academic well known for his research into the reductions in violent crime resulting from citizens carrying concealed handguns. But comments on the site and claims made in e-mails purportedly from Lott were inconsistent with his research and beliefs."[43]

42. Jennifer Harper, "Gunning for Lott," WASHINGTON TIMES, August 1, 2003.

43. Jeff Johnson, "Fraudulent 'Ask John Lott' Website Now Claims to Be Parody," Cybercast News Service, August 6, 2003.

44. Jeff Johnson, "Gun Statistics Expert John Lott Victim of Identity Theft," Cybercast News Service, August 04, 2003.

In other words, they lie.

 

[spike]

Arthur Kellermann at Emory University; and Douglas Weil at the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence???? No bias there.

Your Lott guy is pretty biased it seems from just a casual search.

That "study" has been thoroughly debunked by several firearms experts.

I'm sorry Lott's study has been widely and thoroughly debunked. In other words he lies. He even posed as someone else to praise his own study. What a tool.

Sugarman is the person who fraudulently invented the term "assault weapon".

Assault weapon is a common term used by gun owners and people to describe a certain type of gun. There's nothing fraudulent about it. It's a freakin' term.

I'm sorry your guy has been discredited for lying. That must suck for you.

 

[Gonz]

Assault weapon is a common term used by gun owners and people to describe a certain type of gun.

Ugh, no. Assault weapon is a term referred to by the anti-gun crowd & the ignorant media to describe very scary looking guns.

An assault weapon is a highly regualted military weapon.

So when people see, say an AR-15

they think they're looking at a fully auto M-16

which is the same gun - save for the FULLY AUTO part.

 

[Winky]

Guys with guns

These days M-16’s are limited to three round bursts
and for good reason, full auto fire is ‘spray and pray’.
I like to think of my AR as an assault rife

 

[spike]

Re: Guys with guns

I like to think of my AR as an assault rife

You must be part of the anti gun crowd or media according to Gonz then.

 

[jimpeel]

Your Lott guy is pretty biased it seems from just a casual search.

He is trying to protect an individual constitutional right while people like Kellermann are trying to abrogate and destroy that right.

I'm sorry Lott's study has been widely and thoroughly debunked. In other words he lies. He even posed as someone else to praise his own study. What a tool.

Being "debunked" by those who are your opponents is nothing to worry about.

Assault weapon is a common term used by gun owners and people to describe a certain type of gun. There's nothing fraudulent about it. It's a freakin' term.

Sugarman coined the term to confuse the public abut what the fubnction of the firearm is. He wanted the public to be confused between a semi-auto firearm and a machine gun so his agenda would be supported by the confused public.

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."
— Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

I'm sorry your guy has been discredited for lying. That must suck for you.

Using a pseudonym to discuss your research is not lying. Otherwise, every author who ever used a pseudonym is a liar as well.

 

[spike]

He is trying to protect an individual constitutional right while people like Kellermann are trying to abrogate and destroy that right.

Kellerman is not trying to take away any constitutional right. He does research. But since you say Lott is pushing an agenda that completely invalidates anything he says.

Being "debunked" by those who are your opponents is nothing to worry about.

Yeah, the faulty methods is the thing to worry about.

Sugarman coined the term to confuse the public abut what the fubnction of the firearm is.

Looks like you're wrong there too.

This term was coined during World War II. It is a translation of the German "Sturmgewehr."

http://www.guncite.com/assausup.txt

Using a pseudonym to discuss your research is not lying. Otherwise, every author who ever used a pseudonym is a liar as well.

Authors using a pseudonym are technically lying about what their name is. But that's entirely different than them posing as someone credible to say their book is awesome.

 

[H2O boy]

like a career politician spreading doomsday theory about melting ice right?

 

[spike]

What? That sentence doesn't even make any sense.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Either does your "consensus" or the "science" its based on.

 

[spike]

That's too bad that you don't understand science. Take some classes.

 

[catocom]

wow man, that's like...39 degrees man

 

[Gonz]

That's too bad that you don't understand science. Take some classes.

No need. Concensus doesn't mean it's correct.

 

[spike]

No need. Concensus doesn't mean it's correct.

It's a pretty good sign.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Unless its bad science by a closed group committing fraud, like with Global Warming.

 

[spike]

But definitely with good science by an open group telling you the facts like with Global Warming.

 

[catocom]

facts are backed up by effects

don't believe 'blindly', anything you hear, and only half of what you see

 

[Gonz]

But definitely with good science by an open group telling you the facts.

Surprisingly, you are correct. Unfortunately, it's been quite an issue for those who wish to look at the numbers to get said numbers. Peer review be damned?