Illegal crop could save California's economy and offset the deficit

The list of states wanting to force the federal govovernment to abide by the Constitution is growing:

As things stand right now it looks like Oklahoma, Washington, Hawaii, Missouri, Arizona, New Hampshire, Georgia, California, Michigan and Montana will all definitely consider sovereignty bills this year. They may be joined by Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania where legislators have pledged to introduce similar bills. Twenty states standing up to the federal government and demanding a return to constitutional principles is a great start, but it remains to be seen whether legislatures and governors are brave enough or angry enough to follow through. As the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress push for more expansion of federal power and spending that may help provide the motivation needed for the sovereignty movement to take off.
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Cerise said:
The list of states wanting to force the federal govovernment to abide by the Constitution is growing:
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Contrary to the fantasies of some extremists, these sovereignty bills are not the first step towards secession or splitting up the union, nor are they an effort to block collection of the income tax, appealing though that might be. For the most part, they are not so much political statements of independence as they are expressions of fiscal authority directed specifically at the growing cost of unfunded mandates being placed upon the states by the federal government. Despite the movement picking up steam as he came to office, the target of these bills is not President Obama, but rather the Democrat-dominated Congress whose plans for massive bailouts and expanded social programs are likely to come at an enormous cost to the states.
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Alex Jones = *puke3*

It wasn't referring to secession but to The 10th Amendment. It's a Constitutional thang, something that {} considers a "deeply flawed document."

With that said, from the same article:

In the case of a growing number of U.S. states, however, it is not so much economic decline and moral degradation pointing the way to a “disintegration,” but rather violations of the Tenth Amendment. The Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791, and states restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states and to the people. It is based on an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.”
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"That this Resolution serves as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."
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That sounds like something someone here would say.
 
jimpeel said:
America was formed, and is based upon, freedom. How is giving them freedom "not very American?"
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This isn't about freedom. You were talking about secession. Wanting to secede from America is un-American. Pretty straight forward. You posted no other reason to do it except "they could".
 
spike said:
Did you think it was already perfect with the slaves counting as 3/4 of a person or something?
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We should have allowed them to count as a full poiltical person so that the south could have increased its power & slavery may have continuued to this day. :wink2:
 
spike said:
This isn't about freedom. You were talking about secession. Wanting to secede from America is un-American. Pretty straight forward. You posted no other reason to do it except "they could".
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Then you completely missed, or chose to ignore, this:

Of all of the states of the Union California has the greatest potential to successfully become a nation of its own.

* The largest rail yard west of the Mississippi
* Three major ports
* Eight international airports
* 15-18% of the nation's population
* Abundant natural resources
* An international border


What more could you want?
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jimpeel POST #16 of this thread
 
spike said:
But see, you misquoted him.



Looks like you didn't understand the intent in the slightest.

Of course it's flawed. That's why the founders made it amendable.

Did you think it was already perfect with the slaves counting as 3/4 of a person or something?
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Talk about flawed. The actua fraction is 3/5, not 3/4; but your fraction would have given slaves 3/20 more standing. :wink2:

Are you aware that the original Constitution, when written, outlawed slavery? It was amended at the conventions to remove that portion of the document.
 
Gonz said:
We should have allowed them to count as a full poiltical person so that the south could have increased its power & slavery may have continuued to this day. :wink2:
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Are you saying we should still have that bit in there or not?
 
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