Iraq violence up under Obama regime. April deadliest month since September.

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2minkey said:
other than the fact that him and his boys went apeshit on the idea of invading iraq and constructed and vigorously pushed forward a case for invasion based on comic book assertions they presented as facts. no real WMD program, no real relationship with AQ ("but there must be, they's muslims!!!"). oh, yeah, and as uberkommandants they are the ones that put too few and under-resourced soldiers over there. so, yes, there is plenty of reason to criticize bush for how the war was progated and limp-wristed.
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And Congress had the exact same information in which to deny any action on that front. As for 'constructed', we've been over this, as it was Saddam Hussein who led our intel, and the intel of our allies, to believe he was hiding WMD's in order to stave off an invasion from Iran. You can't blame one without blaming the other on this. Now the only choice that remains is how we leave. As rj likes to say, its all about the money (short term).
 
Gato_Solo said:
And Congress had the exact same information in which to deny any action on that front.
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right. so the children that sat around listening at story time are as guilty as the guy who wrote the fairy tale? someone fabricated a story. we all know who that someone is. and we know who the relatively ignorant audience was. there's a huge moral difference between the duper and the dupee(s).
 
The leaders of Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizballah, Fatah, the Muslim Brotherhoods, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea are basically reasonable, pragmatic people
who you can work with.
 
well that settles it. let's declare war on all thems fuckers!!! and we can pay for it with tax revenues from the middle classes and the blood of the working class!

put down that mop. git outta that truck. step away from that cash register. relinquish your welder! get out there and win, win, win!
 
We already won Son.
Isn’t the bourgeoisie lifestyle you have proof enough for you?
 
Winky said:
We already won Son.
Isn’t the bourgeoisie lifestyle you have proof enough for you?
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We already won?
After the last time someone declared "mission accomplished" 4145 members of the U.S. military died.

So, what did we win? And when did this BIG victory take place?
 
2minkey said:
right. so the children that sat around listening at story time are as guilty as the guy who wrote the fairy tale? someone fabricated a story. we all know who that someone is. and we know who the relatively ignorant audience was. there's a huge moral difference between the duper and the dupee(s).
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That someone was?
 
2minkey said:
ha ha you funny.
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According to the most vocal, Bush was as dumb as a box of rocks. If you are saying he is responsible, then what does that say about Congress?

Anyway...I'm asserting that Congress KNEW that the data was faulty, and voted for the funding for their own political gain. Remember...it was an election year. Once the elections were over, that was when those who were against the action suddenly decided it was wrong, and changed their minds on it. Once again...who is to blame?
 
I don't think that Congress had as much of a reason to know the intel was faulty as Bush did.

Blame lies squarely on the Commander in Chief.
 
Gato_Solo said:
According to the most vocal, Bush was as dumb as a box of rocks. If you are saying he is responsible, then what does that say about Congress?

Anyway...I'm asserting that Congress KNEW that the data was faulty, and voted for the funding for their own political gain. Remember...it was an election year. Once the elections were over, that was when those who were against the action suddenly decided it was wrong, and changed their minds on it. Once again...who is to blame?
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okay let's pretend i said "a small group of assholes" instead of "someone."

please don't tell me you don't know who that refers to.

i'll give you some hints. one shot his friend in the face with birdshot. another goes by "hot karl" in the DC leather scene.
 
2minkey said:
okay let's pretend i said "a small group of assholes" instead of "someone."

please don't tell me you don't know who that refers to.

i'll give you some hints. one shot his friend in the face with birdshot. another goes by "hot karl" in the DC leather scene.
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More than those two were in on it as well. Once again, I throw out the phrase 'election year'. A LOT of people shirked their responsibility in order to get re-elected. Had to look 'tough on terror'. Then...no sooner than they knew they won, they started 'finding fault' with the intel.
 
Gato_Solo said:
More than those two were in on it as well. Once again, I throw out the phrase 'election year'. A LOT of people shirked their responsibility in order to get re-elected. Had to look 'tough on terror'. Then...no sooner than they knew they won, they started 'finding fault' with the intel.
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i've no argument with that.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Then...no sooner than they knew they won, they started 'finding fault' with the intel.
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And after a successful demonizing campaign by the press and the 'rats that pushed the false notion that, under GWB and the Republicans this nation had just seen the worst 8 years in its' entire existence, a gullible American people were duped into voting for "Change".
 
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