is there a bumper on your ass?
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stingray_sting
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what? you dissin me just 'cause im Korean? is that it? you just push my Korean pride around like a second class citizen?
oh ya and it was that song by ludicrus. lol so funny.
and about being beat to the ground... lol that was funny. actually got me to laugh lol.
oh ya and it was that song by ludicrus. lol so funny.
and about being beat to the ground... lol that was funny. actually got me to laugh lol.
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Bubba
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Shadowfax said:
why would anyone smoke their toilet?
HeXp£Øi±
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So because you're not a skinhead that means you're not a racist? There are many different shades of grey. Racism can be as one interprets it. I used to tell racially tainted jokes to my best friend who is Haida indian. In my mind i was sure he didn't mind because we were like brothers and he new me very well. One day i was thinking about the different forms of racism and asked my friend if he thought i was racist and he said yes! I couldn't believe it. I even tried to talk him out of that idea but after thinking on it for awhile i realized he was right. It wasn't just oversensitivity either. All along i had been hurting my friend but for years he never opened his mouth until i asked him about it. If you're not on the receiving end of the joke there's a good chance you're not going to comprehend the racism. That's why it's a much safer bet to simply never use racial slurs under any circumstances. That way you can't ever be accused of being a racist. You may not have meant to offend but the fact is that people were offended so whos view is more important, yours or theirs?
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Bubba
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in this day and age, it is difficult not to offend people. no matter how hard you try, someone is bound to get offended by something no matter if you meant it to be offensive or not. i never tell jokes to anyone in real life.
HeXp£Øi±
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It's an important issue. The biggest sin we can commit is not to think about it. Because even the smallest bit of racism can hurt and cause fires to burn we should continue to weigh the subject in our minds. There are a million shades of grey and if there is oversensitivity it usually exists for a reason. Which is why i say it's best to simply erase any questionable words from our vocabulary. No this does not include words like niggardly.
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Bubba
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i never use racial slurs around other people.
Bubba said:
Do you actually deal with people in real ife?
As far as racism, the slurs need to be gone. They are only meant to inflame or belittle. Stereotypes, however, while degrading to the individual are not all bad. There is a grain of truth (if not an entire boulder) to all of them. White men can't dance-it doesn't say all white men or that Hispanics can, read nothing into it. One of my favorites-Blacks love chicken & watermelon-who doesn't? I also met several who disliked one or both. They are generalizations only. Don't base an entire (fill in stereotype here) on them. We need to be comfortable with our race/ethnicity & be able to see the larger picture, take some jokes for the sake of humor. BTW, why cracker?
unclehobart
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"Cracker"
Karanja Burke
Don West's poem "Look Here, America" is powerfully assertive and unorthodox, declaring the absence of racism in the hills of Appalachia. Furthermore, West shows his sadness that this racism still exists in other parts of the country. According to the poem, while people are wasting their time worrying about the color of a person's skin, the residents of Appalachia are embracing each other and shamelessly working together. West urges the citizens of America to investigate this problem, and to view Appalachia as an example of triumph. Interestingly enough, "Look Here, America" was published in 1946, some 15 years before sentiments of civil rights became widespread.
In his poem, West refers to himself and White southerners as "crackers." The term is generally of a derogatory nature, and seems to be resident to the South. Despite its negative connotations, it is sometimes seen as a term of endearment, especially among White Georgians, although many Southern whites do not use nor do they approve of the term. "Cracker" has specific ethnic connotations, directed towards White Southerners, and more frequently, poor ones. Of its peculiar dual nature, Irving Allen writes, "'Cracker' is a positive or at least a humorous self-label for many Georgians. But in and beyond Georgia it was and remains a class epithet, and is more recently a black term for any white, Southerner or Northerner, who is thought to be a racist" (59). Peculiarly, in the book Black Jargon in White America by David Claerbaut, the latter, more negative racist definition of cracker is listed first (Claerbaut 61).
The origins of the term are uncertain, though there are a few conjectures. Dave Wilton, who studies etymology as a hobby, presents the idea that the term may have come from the word corncracker, which describes someone who cracks corn for liquor, a common practice especially in early Appalachia. Wilton writes, "The song lyric 'Jimmy Crack Corn' is a reference to this. In the song, a slave sings about how his master got drunk, fell, hit his head, and died. And the slave 'don't care.' (This was a pretty subversive song for its day.) This usage, however, is probably not the origin of the ethnic term cracker" (Wilton, par. 1). Wilton also suggests that the term may have come from 16th century Old English, where "to crack" meant to boast. There isn't much to reinforce this belief, however.
Going along with the cracked corn theory, Delma Presley, a noted scholar, believes that "cracker" came from as far back as the 18th Century, where cracked corn was actually consumed by the Scots-Irish (Allen 50). As those settlers came to Appalachia, the practice of cracking corn to produce liquor became popular, and the term thus followed them. Then, while the Scots-Irish and several other ethnic groups populated Appalachia, cracker was applied to all of the white inhabitants.
Clarence Major, in his Dictionary of Afro-American Slang, lists two rather interesting ideas about the origin of the term. The first is that a "cracker" was a slang term used by 19th Century Georgian slaves to refer to the slavemasters. If this were in fact, true, then the term would come directly from the cracking of the slavemaster's whip. This is quite a peculiar theory, because it would immediately explain the negative connotation that the word has taken. However, there seems to be little or no support for this theory, and no other source that was studied mentions it.
The other theory Major suggests is that, in light of the extreme racial tension of the 19th Century, "cracker" came straight from "the white soda cracker as opposed to say, ginger cookies" (Major 42). Again, this would explain where the derogatory undertones could originate. But as with Major's first explanation, there seems to be no reinforcement for this, and this was the only source that made any mention of such an origin. The former of Major's etymologies does seem to somewhat hint back to the popular cracked corn theory, but it is the only theory investigated that gave such an assertion. Major's definition of cracker is simple: "a white person" (Allen 42). One particular thing to note is that Major's Dictionary was published in 1970, towards the end of the civil rights era, which, along with years of Reconstruction, mark arguably the two most tense ages with concern to relations between Blacks and Whites.
Why Georgia is listed so many times as an assumed origin for "cracker" is not known.
As one can see, there are many possible origins for cracker, and no one seems to have a definitive idea as to where it exactly received its current meaning. As stated before, despite the fact that it was once and still is used as an insult, white Southerners, to however small an extent, have embraced the term, and use it even jokingly among themselves, much like nigger, chink, spic, and redneck have been inverted. As another example of this, Irving Allen tells us that "the term redneck was... applied to any working-class Southerner in the genteel view" (Allen 58). George Wallace and Jeff Foxworthy are two people who were instrumental in this reversal of redneck's connotations.
So, one final question is, just why did Don West decide to refer to himself and White Appalachians as crackers in his poems? West was making a statement, further strengthening his anti-racism theme in "Look Here, America." By calling himself a "cracker," he debases himself in order to figuratively put himself on the same level as his black counterpart, to emphasize that he holds no qualms in holding a black man's hand, and calling him his brother (West, 3.5-8). It's strikingly ironic that many view Appalachia as an extremely prejudiced region, and West surprises America by declaring his happiness to interact with blacks.
Works Cited
Allen, Irving Lewis. Unkind Words: Ethnic Labeling from Redskin to WASP. New York: Bergin and Garvey, 1990.
Claerbaut, David. Black Jargon in White America. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1972.
Major, Clarence. Dictionary of Afro-American Slang. New York: International Publishers, 1970.
West, Don. "Look Here, America." <http://athena.english.vt.edu/~appalach/readings/poetry1.htm>
David Wilton <http://www.wilton.net/wordorc.htm#cracker>
Karanja Burke
Don West's poem "Look Here, America" is powerfully assertive and unorthodox, declaring the absence of racism in the hills of Appalachia. Furthermore, West shows his sadness that this racism still exists in other parts of the country. According to the poem, while people are wasting their time worrying about the color of a person's skin, the residents of Appalachia are embracing each other and shamelessly working together. West urges the citizens of America to investigate this problem, and to view Appalachia as an example of triumph. Interestingly enough, "Look Here, America" was published in 1946, some 15 years before sentiments of civil rights became widespread.
In his poem, West refers to himself and White southerners as "crackers." The term is generally of a derogatory nature, and seems to be resident to the South. Despite its negative connotations, it is sometimes seen as a term of endearment, especially among White Georgians, although many Southern whites do not use nor do they approve of the term. "Cracker" has specific ethnic connotations, directed towards White Southerners, and more frequently, poor ones. Of its peculiar dual nature, Irving Allen writes, "'Cracker' is a positive or at least a humorous self-label for many Georgians. But in and beyond Georgia it was and remains a class epithet, and is more recently a black term for any white, Southerner or Northerner, who is thought to be a racist" (59). Peculiarly, in the book Black Jargon in White America by David Claerbaut, the latter, more negative racist definition of cracker is listed first (Claerbaut 61).
The origins of the term are uncertain, though there are a few conjectures. Dave Wilton, who studies etymology as a hobby, presents the idea that the term may have come from the word corncracker, which describes someone who cracks corn for liquor, a common practice especially in early Appalachia. Wilton writes, "The song lyric 'Jimmy Crack Corn' is a reference to this. In the song, a slave sings about how his master got drunk, fell, hit his head, and died. And the slave 'don't care.' (This was a pretty subversive song for its day.) This usage, however, is probably not the origin of the ethnic term cracker" (Wilton, par. 1). Wilton also suggests that the term may have come from 16th century Old English, where "to crack" meant to boast. There isn't much to reinforce this belief, however.
Going along with the cracked corn theory, Delma Presley, a noted scholar, believes that "cracker" came from as far back as the 18th Century, where cracked corn was actually consumed by the Scots-Irish (Allen 50). As those settlers came to Appalachia, the practice of cracking corn to produce liquor became popular, and the term thus followed them. Then, while the Scots-Irish and several other ethnic groups populated Appalachia, cracker was applied to all of the white inhabitants.
Clarence Major, in his Dictionary of Afro-American Slang, lists two rather interesting ideas about the origin of the term. The first is that a "cracker" was a slang term used by 19th Century Georgian slaves to refer to the slavemasters. If this were in fact, true, then the term would come directly from the cracking of the slavemaster's whip. This is quite a peculiar theory, because it would immediately explain the negative connotation that the word has taken. However, there seems to be little or no support for this theory, and no other source that was studied mentions it.
The other theory Major suggests is that, in light of the extreme racial tension of the 19th Century, "cracker" came straight from "the white soda cracker as opposed to say, ginger cookies" (Major 42). Again, this would explain where the derogatory undertones could originate. But as with Major's first explanation, there seems to be no reinforcement for this, and this was the only source that made any mention of such an origin. The former of Major's etymologies does seem to somewhat hint back to the popular cracked corn theory, but it is the only theory investigated that gave such an assertion. Major's definition of cracker is simple: "a white person" (Allen 42). One particular thing to note is that Major's Dictionary was published in 1970, towards the end of the civil rights era, which, along with years of Reconstruction, mark arguably the two most tense ages with concern to relations between Blacks and Whites.
Why Georgia is listed so many times as an assumed origin for "cracker" is not known.
As one can see, there are many possible origins for cracker, and no one seems to have a definitive idea as to where it exactly received its current meaning. As stated before, despite the fact that it was once and still is used as an insult, white Southerners, to however small an extent, have embraced the term, and use it even jokingly among themselves, much like nigger, chink, spic, and redneck have been inverted. As another example of this, Irving Allen tells us that "the term redneck was... applied to any working-class Southerner in the genteel view" (Allen 58). George Wallace and Jeff Foxworthy are two people who were instrumental in this reversal of redneck's connotations.
So, one final question is, just why did Don West decide to refer to himself and White Appalachians as crackers in his poems? West was making a statement, further strengthening his anti-racism theme in "Look Here, America." By calling himself a "cracker," he debases himself in order to figuratively put himself on the same level as his black counterpart, to emphasize that he holds no qualms in holding a black man's hand, and calling him his brother (West, 3.5-8). It's strikingly ironic that many view Appalachia as an extremely prejudiced region, and West surprises America by declaring his happiness to interact with blacks.
Works Cited
Allen, Irving Lewis. Unkind Words: Ethnic Labeling from Redskin to WASP. New York: Bergin and Garvey, 1990.
Claerbaut, David. Black Jargon in White America. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1972.
Major, Clarence. Dictionary of Afro-American Slang. New York: International Publishers, 1970.
West, Don. "Look Here, America." <http://athena.english.vt.edu/~appalach/readings/poetry1.htm>
David Wilton <http://www.wilton.net/wordorc.htm#cracker>
unclehobart
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Georgia may pop up so much under the term because the pre majors baseball team for Atlanta was the Crackers.
AlladinSane
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If one thinks about not offending another, he would NEVER tell any kind of jokes. ALL of them are politically incorrect in some way(racist, sexist, about some profession, etc). There are few that wouldn't offend anybody...Bubba said:
ris
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HeXp£Øi± said:
i totally agree, it is important to know how even the smallest comments can hurt and cause alientation and hatred. i worked for a welsh-speaking practice and was frequently the subject of anti-english 'banter' by the boss infront of other people.
it caused me a great deal of hurt, it made me defensive and feel animosity toward not only him but other welsh nationalists. it has taken a number of years to exorcise that hatred but i know that if i fall into that trap i become nothing better than my old boss - a racist and a bigot, and if i do then i merely perpetuate the problems.
