It costs HOW much?!?!

Gonz

Gonz

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They, of course, failed to mention the cost of free prescription drugs.

WASHINGTON - House Democrats lashed out at a top defense official Thursday over the Bush administration's refusal to provide any cost estimates of a war against Iraq.
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More Democratic humor
 
I heard it could run into the trillians and "$20,000 per household over the next 10 years" was mentioned on the radio the other day.
 
...no no....that's liberal socialist propaganda, Flavio...

that referred to a study done by two European groups who suggested a war in Iraq would cost almost 3 trillion dollars...to the WORLD....

...they came up with costs such as "interest on debt that would have to be forgiven if Iraq were to be given a fair chance to survive"....

..and other mindless , laughable shit like that....

...and then "Not In Our Name" picked up the story 3 days later and told everyone it'd cost each of us in the US as much as 30 G's per household....

....nice work NION....no one bought it...

KTHXBYE....

MADrin
 
flavio said:
I heard it could run into the trillians and "$20,000 per household over the next 10 years" was mentioned on the radio the other day.
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A prescription drug program will cost that much? :eek:


As far as the war, I heard about $320. for every American.
 
madrin said:
that's liberal socialist propaganda
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It's not liberal socialist propaganda....it's an estimate. Has nothing to do with liberalism or socialism.

Do you happen to have the official ultra conservative fascist religious right esimates yet?
 
I have no idea what your point is?

Is it medicine for sick people is bad and war is good?

That would make this discussion very easy for me.
 
Taxes are not for free medication. Thay are for the military (see the Constitution), among other things. It's okay to spend a bazillion dollars on welfare & if anyone bitches, they're cold hearted & mean. When the money is spent where it's constitutionally mandated they ask "How much?" and who's gonna pay for it. I'd have to imagine the same people that pay for all the other shit. The rich.

I was giving you a hard time with the
Gonz said:
A prescription drug program will cost that much?
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post. No more than that.

and before anyone asks

Article I said:
Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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Sure some of our taxes go to the military. Was the system set up so we could blow trillians invading middle eastern countries?

That's another question entirely.

...and because Bush is such an inept politician if we invade it will likely be with far less financial help.

The other question is to what degree spending trillians (or whatever gigantic amount it is) will affect things at home?
 
The first gulf war cost like 50 billion. A trillion is 20 times that amount. If we conduct a prolonged campaign with a few years annexing the whole country and then pave all of the roads with gold ...then we might come close to one trillion. I don't know how they arrived at their statistics... but it really does sound like opportunity cost voodoo to me.
 
Politicians love when the numbers are too confused to get accurate accounting. It opens a lot of playground for them...
 
Gonz said:
Thay are for the military (see the Constitution), among other things.
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And just because it is in your Constitution, then not spending the money in medication is bad. :rolleyes:
 
Luis, our political & economic system is setup in a way that there's no authorization for that kind of spending. People can & do earn enough to pay for their own prescription medications. The way they want to set up the system, we'll be paying for Bill Gates & Rush Limbaughs medication too. Wasted spending. We already pay for indigent heathcare, including prescriptions. I can afford my own thanks.


A question on spending 10, 50 100 billion or more on the war...we're already paying for our soldiers, the ammo & hardware they use, their food & housing so why is there any additional cost? (except paying Turkey off)
 
Gonz said:
Luis, our political & economic system is setup in a way that there's no authorization for that kind of spending. People can & do earn enough to pay for their own prescription medications. The way they want to set up the system, we'll be paying for Bill Gates & Rush Limbaughs medication too. Wasted spending. We already pay for indigent heathcare, including prescriptions. I can afford my own thanks.
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Military is needed, no matter how peacefull a country is, there militia always gets some money and i think it is ok.

I also know it is wrong within your established system to give money to provide free medication, but i was talking in a more altruistic level, is it really wrong to spend money on it?, not for the guys with the sweaty pockets full of money, but on the really needed people.
 
I would be interested to see the numbers. Are we including the cost of the troops regular pay, or just the Hazardous duty pay? Are we including the cost of each and every M-16, even though 99% of them will surely make it back? What do those costs include?
 
The real above board costs are in extra fuel, ordinance replacement, chemical gear and umpteen zillion extra desert camo suits, replacement parts, food and water variances, bribes, and CIA soft cash. The equipment and personell are already sunk costs and have no bearing on the cost of this action.
 
Luis, is it wrong? Yes. Since we already pay for indigent heathcare there's no need to pay for the meds in a household where they can easily afford them. Nice idea, too costly, looks good on a poloticians resume.


PT-I have the same question about trials & judges & cops & all that crap. We're already footing the bill, why did it jump for this war or case or...
 
Luis G said:
I also know it is wrong within your established system to give money to provide free medication, but i was talking in a more altruistic level, is it really wrong to spend money on it?, not for the guys with the sweaty pockets full of money, but on the really needed people.
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Yes and no, Luis. No, we should be taking care of our sick, unfortunately the way welfare has gone in this country is not good. It is more profitable for a mother of two to stay home, collect welfare, food stamps, and medicare than to go out and get a job, pay for childcare and support her children.
 
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