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The existance of these PC wackadoodles doesn't really bother me. They've always existed, under different names. We usually killed them off. What bothers me is the number of them now running schools and gov't. And getting laws passed stopping us from killing them off.
 
Winky said:
And you think it is past?
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I do not think it has happened since the early 90s(your pic of LA riots was the last thing I have heard that has any correlation to what they did in the 60s.)
 
Winky said:
Yeah in this isolated case Whites ran into the Black area
and burnt stuff up.
The normal procedure is for the Blacks to burn down their own neighborhoods ain't it?
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Not to mention the constant threat of lynchings...beatings...rapes...outright murder...gee, Winky, your cause doesn't look so good, does it?

Tulsa wasn't the first, nor the last...Remember Rosewood?
 
My? cause?

Hey I'm all for America having domestic peace.
The level of ordinary crime is acceptable.
I think all Americans would agree that we CANNOT
have riots in the streets though...

No one wants an Iraqi style “insurgency”!
 
To you and the organizations you work for...

Do the slime that you deal with daily really need to be out on the streets?
Isn't the vast majority of the crimes committed in this country done by those who have previous criminal records, recidivists if you will?

How many more times will we hear about people like John Couey who had previous
CONVICTIONS for similar crimes? (forever)

Liberal compassion sez they need to be released into the American population to be free to further their criminal careers.

Would you be out of a job if those who need to be locked up, actually were?
 
Winky said:
To you and the organizations you work for...
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Not to me it isn't. Crime rates are too high no matter where I work. The department I work for concurs.


Winky said:
Do the slime that you deal with daily really need to be out on the streets?
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The majority, no. As with everything else, there are exceptions. People do make mistakes and change their ways, even here in the hills. Rare, but it does happen.

Winky said:
Isn't the vast majority of the crimes committed in this country done by those who have previous criminal records, recidivists if you will?
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Yes they are. Just as most acts of kindness are perpoetrated by "repeat offenders" of similar acts. it's called human behavior, and it does lean toward repetitive patterns both ways.

Winky said:
How many more times will we hear about people like John Couey who had previous
CONVICTIONS for similar crimes? (forever)

Liberal compassion sez they need to be released into the American population to be free to further their criminal careers.
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Again, your observation is correct. To change this, one needs to speak to their legislators. The court system, the probation system, the parole system...all are at the mercy of the law as it is written. Change the law, and you change the results.


Winky said:
Would you be out of a job if those who need to be locked up, actually were?
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No. There are always new candidates to replace the outgoing ones.
 
So basically I was mostly correct in my assertion that
folks are OK with the current level of ordinary crime.

I remember like it was yesterday seeing
military assault helicopters staging mock attacks on Phoenix after the LA riots.

If there is a next time of similar 'civil unrest' the enthusiastic
'citizens' that are participating in the festivities,
most likely will not go about their happy proceedings 'unmolested'.
 
Winky said:
So basically I was mostly correct in my assertion that
folks are OK with the current level of ordinary crime.
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Not exactly. Everyone I know would like to see the level of crime go down. Hence, I would hardly call that satisfaction with the crime rate. What you are talking about is stiffer penalties for crime. Two different issues entirely.
 
Rather than argue that folks seem to accept
the current level of ordinary crime as a fact of life.

Tell us what would be a workable solution,
a doable means of sharply reducing the level
of crime.
 
In my own opinion, the best way to reduce the crime level is stiffer penalties. However, this entails the building of more prisons, using tax dollars to build, staff and maintain. Few taxpayers are willing to vote this into effect when asked directly. It becomes a catch-22. They say they want less crime and stiffer penalties, but they don't want to pay for it. They don't seem to mind the fact that convicted felons are released from prison...until one moves next door or across the street from their own house. Then they mind it a lot.

But to answer your question, that is where the answer lies in my opinion. When people see the penalties for certain actions, and see that they are enforced, more people choose not to risk it. There will always be those who will risk it. Heck, there is a certain percentage of people who prefer to be incarcerated over having to make their own way in life.

And I know what you are about to say. That the reluctance of the population to approve the funds to enact these penalties is silent complicity with the crime rate. To a small extent it may be. But it's like saying that a teacher who fails to report suspected sexual abuse of a kindergarten student is a pedophile.
 
Well all I can say is that you are
a bright, right thinking guy.

Really would it cost so much to lock away those who are
a clear and present danger to the public at large?
I’ve made an effort to avoid those types of people
in my day to day life and you've had to associate with them.

My guess is, right now you know folks that shouldn't,
in your prolly accurate opinion, be allowed to roam the streets.

Yep if a kindergarten teacher knew proof
positive that one of her students was being
sexually assaulted I would consider her culpable
in some way.

Now the average citizen isn't in the position to take any real action
against a felonious criminal without become a criminal himself.
So we accept the level of predation we are subjected too.

One of the few downsides of a civilized society we must accept?
 
Pretty much.

I don't have the statistics at hand that show the cost of community supervision opposed to incarceration, but think about it: If incarceration were cheaper, wouldn't most governments be leaning that way?

Yes, I know plenty of people who have no business being on the streets. Some of them are actually convicted of something too.
 
OK so here's a good one.

Has anyone while under your 'community supervision'
perpetrated a heinous act?
 
Do the slime that you deal with daily really need to be out on the streets?
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hell no. If anything I would love for there to be no crime and criminals all be in prison. I am for harsher punishments. Why should criminals be on the streets
 
I do not agree with that personally. I feel the punishment should fit the crime. I tend to feel that they can reform but most do not. I am much more for lock em up and throw away the key
 
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