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http://factcheck.org/2009/09/immigrants-and-insurance/

The House bill also contains no restrictions on undocumented immigrants buying insurance policies through the new Health Insurance Exchange if they are not already covered. However, they would have to buy it at their own expense, not with any subsidies paid for by taxpayers, just as they do now. In fact, millions of illegal immigrants have private health insurance now. As we”ve written before, about half of undocumented immigrants already have coverage, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center (those who don’t have insurance are usually in jobs that don’t offer it). They receive no government funds for this and cost the taxpayers nothing – and that wouldn’t change under the proposed bill.

If the exchange includes a federal option, illegal immigrants could also participate under the current House bill. But again, this is a matter of paying for their own insurance out of pocket, not receiving taxpayer funds – the federal option is government-administered, but it is not government-subsidized except through the "affordability credits" that the bill says may not be paid to illegal immigrants.

Update, Sept. 12: White House offocials told reporters late on Sept 11 that the president now favors requiring require proof of citizenship before someone could purchase insurance through the exchange, MSNBC reported.

According to MSNBC, the White House issued the following "bullet points" outlining its position on the matter:

o Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.

o Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.

o Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don’t participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.

The White House also stated that there would be no change in the present law which compensates hospitals for treating illegal immigrants in emergency rooms.
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Of course factcheck.org wouldn't oppose 0bama. It is linked to 0bama:

Factcheck.org = Annenberg Foundation = Barack Obama was a founding member, chairman, and president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was also funded by the Annenberg Foundation. :shrug:


Try CRS' Report:

Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200
 
The Factcheck article corresponds to what is in the bill.

It doesn't really disagree with the CRS thing. Verification procedues aren't set in stone yet but they will be there.

"Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don’t participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible."
 
spike said:
The Factcheck article corresponds to what is in the bill.
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0bama once worked for the Chicago Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck.org is not going to disagree with him.

Doesn't factcheck.org have some opinion on certifigate, as well?

It doesn't really disagree with the CRS thing. Verification procedues aren't set in stone yet but they will be there.

"Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don’t participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible."
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The bill contains no verification requirement or enforcement process for citizenship or legal residency, as exists for other federal benefit programs.

The only verification required for the subsidies pertains to family income, not proof of citizenship or legal residency. Beyond that, as the CRS report notes, everything is left in the hands of the Health Choices Commissioner.
 
Cerise said:
0bama once worked for the Chicago Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck.org is not going to disagree with him.
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They in fact do disagree with him when appropriate. Once again, you're facts are wrong.

Doesn't factcheck.org have some opinion on certifigate, as well?
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Birthers are nutz? We all knew that.


The bill contains no verification requirement or enforcement process for citizenship or legal residency, as exists for other federal benefit programs.

The only verification required for the subsidies pertains to family income, not proof of citizenship or legal residency. Beyond that, as the CRS report notes, everything is left in the hands of the Health Choices Commissioner.
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WTF? "o Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.

o Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.

o Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don’t participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible."

Drama, drama, drama....fear, fear, fear.
 
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Oh noez! Some twitter peeeps!

I remember seeing all the whackjobs celebrating the death of that abortion doctor in the church and calling for more violence but I kinda thought at the time they were fringe. A lot of fringe but still fringe.
 
These peeps are calling for revenge against a person because he "insulted" their leader. :shrug:
 
spike said:
It doesn't really disagree with the CRS thing. Verification procedues aren't set in stone yet but they will be there.
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Who will know? Nobody read it. "It takes two lawyers a a couple of days."
 
Cerise said:
0bama once worked for the Chicago Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck.org is not going to disagree with him.
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Not quite. Looks like the Annenberg Public Policy Center (the creator of factcheck.org) was created in 1993 by the Annenbergs. According to your article, and others I've found, Obama served on a board for a Chicago public schools reform project from 1995 to 2000(ish) funded by monies granted by the Annenberg Foundation, which is the parent of the APPC.

Obama != APPC.

Doesn't factcheck.org have some opinion on certifigate, as well?
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I'm sure they have a blog you can read for opinions, but they refute facts with facts.


OMG they even disagree with the president too!!!
 
The really funny part is that Rob Miller (The Daily Kos), just passed Joe Wilson in donations. :rofl: For the very same story. :toast:
 
Cerise said:
These peeps are calling for revenge against a person because he "insulted" their leader. :shrug:
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Fascinating that they wanted revenge for insulting your leader. The tweets about the abortion doc were calling for revenge for someone doing there job. What was your point again?

" * Crap, I always forgot hashtags. I'm happy Tiller's dead. - Jennifer Waite, Selah, Washington
* UPDATE... Doctor George Tiller was aborted today in his 204th trimester - aren't paybacks a bitch - Punch
* oh HAPPY DAY! Tiller the baby killer is DEAD! - Samantha Pelch
* George Tiller the baby killer was shot dead this morning. God bless the gunmen who hopefully won't be caught. - readnwatchchris, Creedmor. NC
* was George Tiller the baby killers brain scrambled the way he scrambled full term fetuses.. one can only hope - Brad S
* Infamous baby killer George Tiller gunned down at (irony) church. Why do I not feel sorry for him? Have fun at Judgment Day. - James Fiddler
* tiller the baby killer shot dead...wow. is it insensitive of me to say what goes around comes around? - Brad M. Negulescu Cleveland.
* George Tiller the Baby Killer shot dead. May he rot in Hell. - Amy Strong
* Tiller Baby Killer was shot and killed this morning Justice has been served. - Shirl Ledeux
* Thinking about "Tiller the baby killer" He now knows the wages of sin is death. - Dianne McDowell
* May Tiller rot in Hell , infanticide is the murder of babies, he WAS a provider of death like Hitler, Bundy the list goes on.... - Dennis, A People Voip Company
* Burn in hell George Tiller - mikedanben Sparta, NJ (41.005501,-74.672)
* No need to pray for George Tiller. We know he went straight to hell!!!!! - Laurie D. Bailey Olive Branch, MS
* Good ridence to Tiller - babies will not be murdered because he is now gone. Wonder how he likes hell! - Jay Emess, Southern, NJ
* Karma is a beautiful thing. Cheers to the hero who sent George Tiller where he belongs... straight to hell. - Matthew Kamar
* omg!george tiller abortion dr. was killed n his church parkn lot! hell yea! - Sarah Gulick, Wtichita, Ks
* George Tiller: Burning in Hell for the last three hours. - darthdilbert Kettering, Oh
* Hmm, I know it's wrong, but I feel like the Late-Term Abortion Doctor George Tiller, got what was he deserved..... - Mary Keogh London England
* Boom Boom Boom. George Tiller was served a very very late term abortion this morning. - Chad Coleman, coeur d'alene, Id

A few more added 6:54 PM Pacific Time

* Guy shoots a Dr. to death in Church. Me I'm willing to bet that Jesus was his co-pilot. - jeremyawhitman
* Tiller the Killer goes to Church and ends up in Hell - mshellisright, Tulsa
* Tiller the Baby Killer is finally dead....God took care of what needed to be done.... - Cynthia Wrench
* The left-wing nutjobs don't understand that Tiller the baby killer was not human. No human kills babies, only monsters. Good riddance - Sami Shamieh, Walnut Creek, CA
* I guess Obama the Messiah can't resurrect Tiller the baby killer. - Sami Shamieh, Walnut Creek, CA
* The person who shot Tiller the baby killer simply excercised a man's right to choose. - Sami Shamieh, Walnut Creek, CA
* the killing of tiller the baby killer was JUSTICE, not murder. - eqbt
* Glad someone offed Tiller. Baby Killer. - Kat, Kansas
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http://sf.carnalnation.com/content/7628/3/tweets-hate-crazy-right-twitters-about-murder-dr-tiller
 
Those tweets only applauded the death of an abortion doctor.

The Wilson tweets encouraged bodily harm to a man or his children ("finnah ride" or "die cracker list") when said man only spoke the truth.

What was your point?
 
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