It's personal & nobody's business

Prof said:
And it doesn't address why you brought up Willie's willie. That he's a letcher. A liar. A pig of the first order. Sure. But what does that have to do with his ability to govern? I've had bosses who were total assholes.
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You answered your own question

Considering the amount of time Clinton spent in court defending himself,
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He wasn't there because of parking tickets, he was there because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants. Same with several others, the difference was, they knew when to put it way & take care of business.
 
Gonz said:
He wasn't there because of parking tickets, he was there because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants. Same with several others, the difference was, they knew when to put it way & take care of business.
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He took care of business quite well unlike our current administration. He was there because a corrupt bunch of conservatives decided to waste a shitload of taxpayer on a selfish cause. Oh yeah, it seems they do that a lot huh?
 
Gonz said:
You just keep believing that & all will be well. Maybe you'll get lucky & Howard Dean will become president & he'll step in & fix the problem. God knows the terrorists are deathly afraid of whining & the certainly won't attack a country that pulls it's forces out & runs away. That's why we're in this mess to begin with.
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afghanistan is still in a pretty bad way, especially in areas still strong taleban strongholds. bbc more

as for iraq and terrorists, many terrorism experts have seen the coalition action there as a likely recruiting call for extremists and may even hamper the war on terrorism. bush's speech seemed to indicate the actions of terrorists in iraq today prove the links to the war on terror but i would have to consider such a connection as somewhat dubious. i think it far more likely that a country whose security is so clearly stretched and with the percieved enemy being in the back yard this merely represents a great opportunity for those with an agenda to be drawn in. bbc more
general clarke, ex nato commander, has pointed that the chaos in iraq is in part of the us' own making. bbc more

you may consider whining at terrorists a bad option that created the mess, i am still unconvinced the actions in iraq will do anything better than exascerabte the problem.
 
ris said:
general clarke, ex nato commander, has pointed that the chaos in iraq is in part of the us' own making. bbc more

you may consider whining at terrorists a bad option that created the mess, i am still unconvinced the actions in iraq will do anything better than exascerabte the problem.
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YOu mean teh General Clark that has decided to throw his hat into teh Democratic Presidential ring? Ideologically different doesn't make him right (or wrong)

re the next paragraph, that's why we're still talking about it. There seems to be several differing opinions. Our perceived weaknesss is what caused the problem in the first place. Since actions have taken place, they've chosen to attack Saudi Arabia & the UN, not the US. :shrug:
 
i'm not sure that the reasons for attacking the us in the first place was becuase it is percieved as weak. percieved as many other things perhaps, a good deal of it erroneously, but weakness is the least of the things the us is accused of.

since actions have taken place they've chosen to attack sa and within iraq the un, the jordanian embassy, uk and the us, amongst other coalition troops. we have seen car bombs and militant attacks on coalition military targets, civilian aid workers and iraqis themselves.

iraq was an easy target for the bush administration to go to war with. now it has become an easy target for the extremists with a grudge who want to see the us and uk fail and make iraq as unstable as possible.
 
ris said:
iraq was an easy target for the bush administration to go to war with. now it has become an easy target for the extremists with a grudge who want to see the us and uk fail and make iraq as unstable as possible.
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Precisely. As long as we don't have another LBJ who's unwilling to commit to the hard road, this won't be a useless exercise in futility. We, the coalition (and the UN if it comes to that) will have bloody hands but it will be worthwhile in the long run. Somebody has to stop this threat & there's no time better than the present.
 
Gonz said:
Precisely. As long as we don't have another LBJ who's unwilling to commit to the hard road, this won't be a useless exercise in futility. We, the coalition (and the UN if it comes to that) will have bloody hands but it will be worthwhile in the long run. Somebody has to stop this threat & there's no time better than the present.
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Stop what threat? Iraq wasn't a threat until we made it one. We're not stopping threats, we're creating threats.
 
I'm sure it's tough to continue to try and validate this mess. With all these billions spent, all the thousands killed, all the lies, relationships with other countries ruined, while increasing the danger of terrorist attacks...it's hard to believe anyone would be willing to defend this crap this long in the first place.
 
the hutton enquiry here has shown that intelligence officials were concerned that the dossiers on iraq were 'over egged' to show the threat greater than it is. bbc more
 
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