It's time to talk Haiti

Gonz

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Why is it the only export of Haiti is former (french loving) dictators while on the other side of the island, they export major league pitchers?

Oh, there's also this-
Bush accused of supporting Haitian rebels
By Isabelle D. Lindenmayer Published 2/27/2004 6:47 PM

WASHINGTON, Feb. 27 (UPI) -- Haitian activists Friday accused the Bush administration of covertly supporting opposition forces to oust President Aristide from power.

"The Bush administration is again engaged in regime change by armed aggression," former U.S. attorney general Ramsey Clark said. "This time, the armed aggression is against the administration of the democratically elected president of Haiti."

Activists at a Friday press briefing outlined what they believe to be a well-crafted plan by the Bush administration to overthrow Aristide. Former Haitian military members, drug dealers and militants were armed and trained in the Dominican Republic thanks to military support from the United States. They have now crossed the border into Haiti, activists said.

The rebel insurrection that erupted three weeks ago has left roughly 80 people dead, nearly half of whom were police officers.

U.S.-supported coups in Latin America and Africa during the Cold War were referenced by many as models for what they perceive to be the Bush administration's current strategy in Haiti.

"Policy is being engineered, just like when the U.S. wanted to overthrow the Sandinista government," said Ben Dupuy, secretary-general of the National Popular Party of Haiti. Covert CIA operations in Guatemala, the Dominican Republic and the Congo were also mentioned by activists, who repeatedly called for the United States to cease any involvement in the Caribbean nation.

The crisis in Haiti has been looming since flawed legislative elections were held in 2000 during which Aristide's party claimed victory with an overwhelming majority of votes. In response, international donors froze millions of dollars in aid, cutting off a vital lifeline for one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere.

In addition, Aristide, who became Haiti's first freely elected leader in 1990, has been accused of not doing enough to alleviate poverty, condoning corruption, and using violence to quell political opposition.

Activists blamed the American government for the failure of Aristide's social programs.

Nothing succeeds like success.

UPI
 
and with that, they have a coup d'état that falls under the auspices drawn out in the Constitution...

BBC said:
Haiti's President Jean-Bertrand Aristide has gone into exile after a three-week rebellion against his rule, the US and French governments say.
Mr Aristide was said to be on his way to neighbouring Dominican Republic from where he will seek asylum.

His departure came as rebels, who control much of the country, neared the capital, Port-au-Prince.

The US and France had called on him to step down for the good of the Haitian people.
 
WTF?!?!

Nobody wants to defend the other Clinton fuckup?

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — President Jean-Bertrand Aristide (search) resigned and flew into exile Sunday, pressured by foreign governments and a bloody rebellion. Gunfire crackled as the capital fell into chaos, and Washington dispatched Marines.

The Marines were expected to arrive Sunday night, a U.S. official said, and France also said it was sending troops. They would be the vanguard of a multinational force that the United Nations Security Council was to consider later Sunday, and the Bush administration hoped for quick approval.

Oh, the French aren't afraid of Haitians like they're afraid of Muslim. Must not be any oil in Haiti.

FoxNews
 
It's horrible, this feeling of being so helpless to stop the neverending harm your government incites. Why can't things be left to be?
 
Neverending harm? Now Leslie, aren't we being a bit melodramatic? After all your friend Bill had the UNs backing on placing Dictator Aristide back in power. In fact, didn't the UN place peacekeepers there? I also beg you to remember that our neverending arsenal of nukes keeps your country safe & free to bitch about us.
 
how is he my friend?!?!!? and no, I don't think I'm being melodramatic.

this is freakin Afghanistan/Osama all over again...it's gotta stop.
 
It is clear to us who know Haiti that this is not an uprising of the Haitian people against their government, but rather a military operation by Haitian former soldiers and death squads with the support of shadowy sectors in the U.S. and Dominican governments,
dismiss them as flakes all you want...but do a google search...hopefully at least one of the papers you take as gospel will tell a bit of truth.
 
You do realize that Haiti averages a coup every generation don't you? It's is nothing new.
 
of course not it might make you think and question your government.

The US lawyer representing the government of Haiti charged today that the US government is directly involved in a military coup attempt against the country’s democratically elected President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Ira Kurzban, the Miami-based attorney who has served as General Counsel to the Haitian government since 1991, said that the paramilitaries fighting to overthrow Aristide are being backed by Washington. “I believe that this is a group that is armed by, trained by, and employed by the intelligence services of the United States,” Kurzban told the national radio and TV program Democracy Now!. “This is clearly a military operation, and it's a military coup.” “There's enough indications from our point of view, at least from my point of view, that the United States certainly knew what was coming about two weeks before this military operation started,” Kurzban said. “ The United States made contingency plans for Guantanamo.” If a direct US connection is proven, it will mark the second time in just over a decade that Washington has been involved in a coup in Haiti. Several of the paramilitary leaders now rampaging Haiti are men who were at the forefront of the US-backed campaign of terror during the 1991-94 coup against Aristide. Among the paramilitary figures now leading the current insurrection is Louis Jodel Chamblain, the former number 2 man in the FRAPH paramilitary death squad. Chamblain was convicted and sentenced in absentia to hard-labor for life in trials for the April 23, 1994 massacre in the pro-democracy region of Raboteau and the September 11, 1993 assassination of democracy-activist Antoine Izméry. Chamblain recently arrived in Gonaives with about 25 other commandos based in the Dominican Republic, where Chamblain has been living since 1994. They were well equipped with rifles, camouflage uniforms, and all-terrain vehicles. Among the victims of FRAPH under Chamblain's leadership was Haitian Justice Minister Guy Malary. He was ambushed and machine-gunned to death with his bodyguard and a driver on Oct. 14, 1993. According to an October 28, 1993 CIA Intelligence Memorandum obtained by the Center for Constitutional Rights "FRAPH members Jodel Chamblain, Emmanuel Constant, and Gabriel Douzable met with an unidentified military officer on the morning of 14 October to discuss plans to kill Malary." Emmanuel "Toto" Constant, was the founder of FRAPH. An October 1994 article by journalist Allan Nairn in The Nation magazine quoted Constant as saying that he was contacted by a US Military officer named Col. Patrick Collins, who served as defense attaché at the United States Embassy in Port-au-Prince. Constant says Collins pressed him to set up a group to "balance the Aristide movement" and do “intelligence” work against it. Constant admitted that, at the time, he was working with CIA operatives in Haiti. Constant is now residing freely in the US. He is reportedly living in Queens, NY. At the time, James Woolsey was head of the CIA. Another figure to recently reemerge is Guy Philippe, a former Haitian police chief who fled Haiti in October 2000 after authorities discovered him plotting a coup with a group of other police chiefs. All of the men were trained in Ecuador by US Special Forces during the 1991-1994 coup. Since that time, the Haitian government has accused Philippe of master-minding deadly attacks on the Police Academy and the National Palace in July and December 2001, as well as hit-and-run raids against police stations on Haiti's Central Plateau over the following two years. Kurzban also points to the presence of another FRAPH veteran, Jean Tatun. Along with Chamblain, Tatun was convicted of gross violations of human rights and murder in the Raboteau massacre. “These people came through the Dominican border after the United States had provided 20,000 M-16's to the Dominican army,” says Kurzban. “I believe that the United States clearly knew about it before, and that given the fact of the history of these people, [Washington is] probably very, very deeply involved, and I think Congress needs to seriously look at what the involvement of the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency has been in this operation. Because it is a military operation. It's not a rag-tag group of liberators, as has often been put in the press in the last week or two.” Kurzban says he has hired military analysts to review photos of the weapons being used by the paramilitary groups. He says that contrary to reports in the media that the armed groups are using weapons originally distributed by Aristide, the gangs are using highly sophisticated and powerful weapons; weapons that far out-gun Aristide’s 3,000 member National Police force. “I don't think that there's any question about the fact that the weapons that they have did not come from Haiti,” says Kurzban. “They're organized as a military commando strike force that's going from city to city.” Kurzban says that among the weapons being used by the paramilitaries are: M-16's, M-60's, armor piercing weapons and rocket-propelled grenade launchers. “They have weapons to shoot down the one helicopter that the government has,” he said. “They have acted as a pretty tight-knit commando unit.” Chamblain and other paramilitary leaders have said they will march on the capital, Port-au-Prince within two weeks. The US has put forth a proposal, being referred to as a peace plan, that many viewed as favorable to Aristide’s opponents. Aristide accepted the plan, but the opposition rejected it. Washington’s point man on the crisis is Roger Noriega, Undersecretary of State for Western Hemispheric Affairs. “I think Noriega has been an Aristide hater for over a decade,” says Kurzban, adding that he believes Noriega allowed the opposition to delay their response to the plan to allow the paramilitaries to capture more territory. “My reaction was they're just giving them more time so they can take over more, that the military wing of the opposition can take over more ground in Haiti and create a fate accompli,” Kurzban said. “Indeed, as soon as they said, ‘we need an extra day,’ I predicted, unfortunately, and correctly, that they would go into Cap Haitian (Haiti’s 2nd largest city) and indeed the next morning they did.” The leader of the “opposition” is an American citizen named Andy Apaid. He was born in New York. Haitian law does not allow dual-nationality and he has not renounced his US citizenship. In a recent statement, Congressmember Maxine Waters blasted Apaid and his opposition front, saying she believes “Apaid is attempting to instigate a bloodbath in Haiti and then blame the government for the resulting disaster in the belief that the United States will aid the so-called protestors against President Aristide and his government.” “We have the leader of the opposition, who Mr. Noriega is negotiating with, who Secretary Powell calls and who tells Secretary Powell, you know, ‘we need a couple more days’ and Secretary Powell says ‘that's fine,’” says Kurzban. “I mean, there's some kind of theater of the absurd going on with this opposition where it's led by an American citizen, where they're just clearly stalling for time until they can get more ground covered in Haiti through their military wing, and the United States and Noriega, with a wink and nod, is kind of letting them do that.” Kurzban says that because Aristide’s opponents rejected Washington’s plan, “the next step clearly is to send in some kind of UN peacekeeping force immediately.” “The question is,” says Kurzban. “Will the international community stand by and allow a democracy in this hemisphere to be terminated by a brutal military coup of persons who have a very, very sordid history of gross violations of human rights?”

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0225-10.htm
 
NY Times
FOREIGN DESK | January 30, 2004, Friday
Haiti's Neighbors Are Pressing Aristide for Reforms

By RICHARD LEZIN JONES (NYT) 1064 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 3 , Column 1
ABSTRACT - Street protests over rule of Haitian Pres Jean-Bertrand Aristide are growing in frequency and size; clashes between antigovernment marchers, Aristide supporters and police sometimes turn violent, and about 50 people have been killed in protests in recent months; situation has prompted leaders of 15 neighboring islands, part of group known as Caribbean Community, to demand that Aristide reform police force, disarm violent gangs of supporters and step up efforts to work with opponents; photos (M)

CNN
Thursday, January 29, 2004 Posted: 1:47 PM EST (1847 GMT)

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) -- A mourning procession for a high-school student turned into a demonstration against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide on Thursday, with protesters blaming Aristide supporters for the student's death after an anti-government march this month.

"Arrest Aristide! We're tired of dead bodies!" about 100 protesters shouted as they accompanied a hearse from a Roman Catholic church to the capital's municipal cemetery.

Police accompanied the procession, which ended without incident.


South African Independent online
Caribbean leaders agree on plan for Haiti

February 01 2004 at 10:45AM



By Horace Helps

Kingston - Caribbean leaders mediating in Haiti's political crisis have pressed the country's president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, to end the impasse with his opponents and set a timetable of four to six weeks for him to take some conciliatory steps.

The Haitian leader accepted a series of proposals, Jamaican Prime Minister PJ Patterson said late on Saturday after a day of talks with Aristide in the Jamaican capital.
 
Looks to me like the Haitians & the outside place blame right where it should be, with Aristide. It's not our fault he can't run a country.
 
well yer embargos and rules ain't helpin'

he can't have tear gas for his police? they're limited as to what kind of weapons they can possess...what're they supposed to do when a gun is their only option to try and keep the peace in a protest?
 
Why isn't Canada leading the UN peacekeepers then? You guys should have been there last week. But nooooooo, it has to be the Americans (Marines) going to save the day once again.
 
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