It's time to talk Haiti

and what the hell are you talking about...embargoes?

USE OF SANCTIONS UNDER CHAPTER VII

OF THE UN CHARTER


HAITI


(Updated January 2002)
Resolution 841 of 16 June 1993 imposed an arms and oil embargo, froze foreign assets, and set up a Security Council sanctions committee.

The embargo was suspended on 27 August 1993 by Resolution 861 and then re-imposed on 18 October 1993 by Resolution 873 of 13 October.

Resolution 917 of 6 May 1994 expanded the embargo to include all commodities and products, with the exception of medical supplies and foodstuffs. The expanded embargo went into effect on 21 May 1994.

Resolution 944 of 29 September 1994 terminated the measures set out in Resolutions 841, 873, and 917 relating to sanctions on 16 October 1994 following the return to Haiti of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. It also terminated the sanctions committee established under Resolution 841.
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Leslie said:
um...check again...we're there already.
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Not yet :p

The United States and France have already ordered troops to the Caribbean nation as part of the international force, and other governments including Canada and Brazil are also expected to contribute soldiers, U.N. diplomats said.
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and...y'uh-huh

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20040229-005/page.asp
Canadian troops are also on hand to guard the airport in Port-au-Prince. There are reports that a Canadian unit of elite joint task force two commandos are already on the ground in Haiti, but defence officials in Ottawa are refusing to respond to those reports.
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Three Hercules transport aircraft dispatched on Saturday were operating out of the neighbouring Dominican Republic, each able to take about 60 people at a time. Graham said there were about 50 Canadian troops in the region as of Sunday. An unidentified embassy official at the airport confirmed at noon on Sunday that few Canadians had shown up. She said those who came would be taken to Santo Domingo, capital of the Dominican Republic. A Foreign Affairs spokesman said later that there had been two outbound flights by the Hercules transports on Sunday, with 28 Canadians on the first plane and 17 on the second. Many routes to the airport had roadblocks and she said the safety of the trip "depends on where you come from." Petillon agreed that many routes are not safe, but "with the Canadian soldiers, it's not a problem to go from the new embassy to the airport." Canadian troops were at the airport ensuring the safety of Hercules flights in and out. Darren Gibb, a spokesman for Defence Minister David Pratt, said the Canadian military is offering "flights of opportunity, meaning should Canadians want to leave, we will help them do that." "We're not saying right now when they're going in or where they're going, for security reasons," he added. There are two teams on the ground in Haiti - a group of planners co-ordinating the evacuation, and a small unit of JTF-2 special forces troops protecting the ambassador and embassy staff. The Hercs are also supplying those two detachments. Graham said Canadian Forces are clearly stretched, with multiple deployments, including Bosnia and Afghanistan. But he said Martin, Pratt and the chief of defence staff, Gen. Ray Henalt, have been considering military options since last Wednesday.
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http://hispeed.rogers.com/news/national/story.jsp?cid=n022933A
 
YOur transport ships are there for exit strategy (hehe, there's that shit again).

I'm not suggesting they aren't joining the UN in following the Marines in or anything (we already have Marines guarding our embassy).

Those embargoes are ancient history
 
ahhhh hell. damnit all. damnit all to hell. now our guys are just doing regime changes for practice & scaring old men.

US troops 'made Aristide leave'
From correspondents in Paris
March 1, 2004

HAITIAN leader Jean Bertrand Aristide was taken away from his home by US soldiers, it was claimed today.

A man who said he was a caretaker for the now exiled president told France's RTL radio station the troops forced Aristide out.

"The American army came to take him away at two in the morning," the man said.

"The Americans forced him out with weapons.

"It was American soldiers. They came with a helicopter and they took the security guards.

"(Aristide) was not happy. He did not want to be taken away. He did not want to leave. He was not able to fight against the Americans."

The RTL journalist who carried out the interview described the man as a "frightened old man, crouched in a corner" who said he was the "caretaker of the residence".

Aristide fled Haiti today in the face of an armed revolt. The United States has ordered Marines to the Caribbean state to help restore order.

Agence France-Presse
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Leslie said:
It's horrible, this feeling of being so helpless to stop the neverending harm your government incites. Why can't things be left to be?
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Actually, if we left Haiti totally alone, you'd be arguing the other side. I've heard all of this before, and I'll most likely hear it again. If that's what the world wants, the US should close our borders, bring all of our troops, money, and foreign aid back home, and let the world do as it will. Any cries for help should be deftly ignored, and any attempts to involve us in any conflict should be met with complete disinterest. Would that make you happy?
 
you should be held responsible for what you're already fucked up, and then withdraw and be done with it. if those are the only choices, the harmful manipulation or nothing, I go with nothing.
 
Leslie said:
you should be held responsible for what you're already fucked up, and then withdraw and be done with it. if those are the only choices, the harmful manipulation or nothing, I go with nothing.
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No mention of anything we 'fucked' up. So you think we should just take our ball and bat and go home. No help from us no matter what.
 
after you fix what you already fucked up, yes. if those are the 2 evils that are on the table, no input/interference/money/power from the US is definitely the lesser.
 
Leslie said:
after you fix what you already fucked up, yes. if those are the 2 evils that are on the table, no input/interference/money/power from the US is definitely the lesser.
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Okay. We can start with Canada first. All jobs with US companies will cease, and all jobs will come back to the US. Kiss your economy goodbye. ;) As for straightening out what we 'fucked up', most of it was fucked up when we got there. Haiti was done over by France.
 
you know, I'd rather that than see the misery all over the world from the toying that's been going on, and continues to go on.
 
Leslie said:
you know, I'd rather that than see the misery all over the world from the toying that's been going on, and continues to go on.
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And the misery caused by the UK, France, China, North Korea, Russia, Italy, etc..., That's okay...
 
BREAKING NEWS again

Hide, we've been found out...

Multiple sources that just spoke with Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide told Democracy Now! that Aristide says he was "kidnapped" and taken by force to the Central African Republic. Congressmember Maxine Waters said she received a call from Aristide at 9am EST. "He's surrounded by military. It's like he is in jail, he said. He says he was kidnapped," said Waters. She said he had been threatened by what he called US diplomats. According to Waters, the diplomats reportedly told the Haitian president that if he did not leave Haiti, paramilitary leader Guy Philippe would storm the palace and Aristide would be killed. According to Waters, Aristide was told by the US that they were withdrawing Aristide's US security.
TransAfrica founder and close Aristide family friend Randall Robinson also received a call from the Haitian president early this morning and confirmed Waters account. Robinson said that Aristide "emphatically" denied that he had resigned. "He did not resign," he said. "He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup." Robinson says he spoke to Aristide on a cell phone that was smuggled to the Haitian president.

Transcripts will be posted shortly.

Listen to Rep. Maxine Waters talk about the alledged kidnapping of Aristide.
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Democracy Now

returning you now to your normally scheduled brain fart.
 
you know just by canada being there wether for good or bad they are as wrong as the US and france. guilt by association. if its truely that the canadian govt thinks we are wrong for being there why in the world would they send troops? its not like if we really were going to take over haiti we would let anyone else in.plus i didnt see any arm twisting to get others to go down there, and if its for show then, well have the boys pack up and go home.
 
being there to clean up the mess is different than causing the mess in the first place.
 
Leslie said:
being there to clean up the mess is different than causing the mess in the first place.
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So even though France caused the mess in the first place, it's the job of the US to clean it up? Before you talk about how much the US has done wrong, take a look at the messes caused by everybody. We aren't perfect, and we never claimed to be. Why so much hate, Leslie?
 
papa doc, baby doc, the guy in between, now this guy...all assisted into power by WHO?
 
Leslie said:
papa doc, baby doc, the guy in between, now this guy...all assisted into power by WHO?
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And their ancestors all forced to work the sugar-cane fields as slaves by who?
 
they came out of that, started doing well, till the meddling began.

I can't quite call it hate at this point, though it's getting there...more disgust and revulsion at this point.
 
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