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Gonz said:You: We'll pay you XXX for that car.
Salesman:No can do.
You: Ok, the guy down the road can. BuhBye.
Yup. Do the research where Sharky showed you, and this is the tack to take. If he refuses, you know where the door is. The key is being willing to use it - don't bluff.
I've bought my last two this way, and they've both beaten the deals other folks have gotten.