Makes ya wonder why we don't nuke 'em

I think its the idea that if they show us getting it done to us then show us doing it. dont make it one sided
 
freako104 said:
I think its the idea that if they show us getting it done to us then show us doing it. dont make it one sided
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Piss off. WE DO NOT DESECRATE CORPSES.
 
Does everyone recognize the enemy? Here's more:
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Okay, let's go on down to Fallujah, line up a bunch of citizens, and you tell me which ones we need to shoot. Maybe we should kill them all. The city is anti-american, and that would just horrify the terrorists (whom I would bet are no where near Fajullah at present, they aren't stupid, just insane). How would they ever recruit more of the faithful to their cause.
We need to find these guys, prove they did it, get them tried, convicted and executed by the Iraqi authorities or the terrorists will just be able to point at it and say what monsters the Americans are. They're very good at ignoring their own atrocities while making our responses look like unprovoked atrocities.
 
freako104 said:
I didnt say we did. We do kill people Gonz. That isnt shown.
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Make news. Show a large group of people that doesn't kill. You suugested that we are the same as these monsters. We aren't. Very few are.
 
A ray of Hope


A senior Islamic cleric said preachers in mosques across this defiant Muslim city would use weekly prayers on Friday to condemn the mutilation of four slain American contractors, but he did not say if that would include their deaths.
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Gonz said:
Make news. Show a large group of people that doesn't kill. You suugested that we are the same as these monsters. We aren't. Very few are.
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saying we have killed innocence isnt the same as saying we are the same as these guys. These guys are celebrating our deaths. While I did say we do the same in killing innocence, we dont celebrate it and I dont think we did it in a time of peace unless you count the dictators we put in place.
 
Some have suggested this is the beginning of a springtime offensive supported by Iran, Hamas & He'hezbollah. Just is time for the handover to Iraqi civilian control. It's sounding like the hardliners & radicals are scared of democracy & the future it brings to the Middle East. Remove dictators & allow civilian control of a section of the world that hasn't left or has since returned to the 12th century. May be the bad guys are trying for one last stand.

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Hundreds of U.S. and Iraqi troops in tanks, trucks and other vehicles surrounded the turbulent city of Fallujah on Monday ahead of a major operation against insurgents following the grisly slayings of four American security contractors last week.

U.S. commanders have been vowing a massive response to pacify Fallujah, one of the most violent cities in the Sunni Triangle, the heartland of the anti-U.S. insurgency north and west of Baghdad.

U.S. troops closed off entrances to Fallujah with earth barricades ahead of the planned operation, code named "Vigilant Resolve." Military patrols entered the outer suburbs on reconnaissance missions and to broadcast warnings on loud speakers to residents to stay indoors until Tuesday.

Iraqi police in the city visited mosques, dropping off Arabic leaflets from the U.S. military, telling residents that there was a daily 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. It ordered them not to congregate in groups or carry weapons, even if licensed. It instructed people that if U.S. forces enter their homes, they should gather in one room and if they want to talk to the troops to have their hands up.
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Iraq's U.S. administrator Paul Bremer vowed to crack down on firebrand Shi'ite leader Moqtada al-Sadr, a day after battles in Baghdad and near the shrine city of Najaf killed 48 Iraqis, eight American soldiers and one Salvadoran soldier.

The Shi'ite violence opens a new front for U.S.-led forces already struggling to quell Sunni Muslim insurgents.

It also complicates the task of U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, who arrived in Baghdad Sunday to discuss U.S. plans to hand sovereignty to Iraqis at the end of June and future elections.

Bremer said Sadr was an outlaw trying to usurp legitimate authority. "We will not tolerate this," he told an Iraqi ministerial committee for national security.

Sadr responded defiantly. "I'm accused by one of the leaders of evil, Bremer, of being an outlaw," he said in a statement read out in a mosque in Kufa, near Najaf, where he is staging a sit-in.

"If that means breaking the law of the American tyranny and its filthy constitution (for Iraq), I'm proud of that and that is why I'm in revolt," the 30-year-old cleric said.
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Then they wouldn't be free & we aren't imposing a dictator on them.
 
Gonz said:
Explain how freedom can be forced upon anybody.
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thats my point exactly. we are there to liberate them. and call it freedom. free to do as we want. thats not freedom
 
If they are all forced to practice one (or one style of) religion, they are not free. If we make all religions & sects equal under the law thay are free. Freedom cannot be forced upon another. They are free to not allow themselves freedom but they are not free to force fewer freedoms upon another.
 
but once again with the religion thing forcing the different sects isnt free as you are deciding for them. Let them decide. If its one religion and they accept it why force anything else?
 
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